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Is prosperity evil?

Is prosperity evil?

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Originally posted by normbenign
A quick look at history (a couple of centuries), the growth of the world's population, and the relative improvement of living conditions in most of the world indicates a growing pie.
the population is growing but the world is desperately short of food and water overfished seas dustbowl America drought's in Africa and aisia the pie if anything is shrinking.

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Originally posted by normbenign
If his data is correct, it indicates that capitalism improved mankind's overall prosperity, except that during the 20th century socialism and communism got in the way.
socialism doesn't get in the way. socialism is a logical balancing measure to account for the human element. we are not cogs in the machine, sometimes you have to stop and think how your capitalism affects the individual.

capitalism should be the dominant system in a society so that it thrives, with socialist measures here and there so that the individual doesn't get stepped upon. you don't break capitalism by providing welfare and free education.

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Originally posted by redbarons
the population is growing but the world is desperately short of food and water overfished seas dustbowl America drought's in Africa and aisia the pie if anything is shrinking.
The world population is growing, but stabilizing. Most of the current growth is due to people getting older than they used to (the average human now lives about 70 years).

World hunger has decreased dramatically over the past couple of decades and will continue to do so. Even in Africa, famine is now rare.

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Originally posted by redbarons
the population is growing but the world is desperately short of food and water overfished seas dustbowl America drought's in Africa and aisia the pie if anything is shrinking.
no. the problem is distribution of food, not shortage. we produce more than enough to feed everyone. the problem is getting the surplus from one region and getting it to where it is needed.

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Originally posted by normbenign
How does that happen, when the uber rich are such a minority compared to the lower classes? Perhaps a part of this is that the permanent political class from both parties has ambitions of joining that wealthy class.
This happens because a small number of humans have an enormous level of wealth which they use to purchase political power. Both political parties have been bought and sold. Our lack of campaign rules and regs insures this will only get worse.

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I think a small number of unelected humans, who have a monopoly on the use of force, should enact regulations, which have the force of law, to insure that our elections are democratic and, moreover, to insure that free speech is unabridged by that pesky Congress, as promised by the First Amendment.

Any thoughts to the contrary are undemocratic, unAmerican, unconstitutional, and treasonous.

(I have my eye on you Whodey) 😠

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Originally posted by redbarons
the population is growing but the world is desperately short of food and water overfished seas dustbowl America drought's in Africa and aisia the pie if anything is shrinking.
Famine used to be a regular feature of life on every continent. It is fairly rare now.

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Originally posted by Phranny
This happens because a small number of humans have an enormous level of wealth which they use to purchase political power. Both political parties have been bought and sold. Our lack of campaign rules and regs insures this will only get worse.
Is it the uber wealthy who buy the politicians, or is it the politicians who extort money from the wealthy? Think about it. Who initiates the exchange of money?

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
no. the problem is distribution of food, not shortage. we produce more than enough to feed everyone. the problem is getting the surplus from one region and getting it to where it is needed.
That is usually facilitated by the motive of making profit.

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Originally posted by normbenign
Is it the uber wealthy who buy the politicians, or is it the politicians who extort money from the wealthy? Think about it. Who initiates the exchange of money?
In countries where bribery is illegal, it tends to happen significantly less than in places where it has been legalized.

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Originally posted by normbenign
That is usually facilitated by the motive of making profit.
It can be, but you can't make a profit from selling a product to someone who has no or too little money.

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Originally posted by normbenign
That is usually facilitated by the motive of making profit.
if the hungry africans had anything that the western world wanted, and had enough stability to demand payment for it, instead of warlords giving it away for guns, they wouldn't be starving.

that is another discussion however. the point i was trying to make is that there is enough food to feed everyone. theoretically.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
In countries where bribery is illegal, it tends to happen significantly less than in places where it has been legalized.
Bribery is illegal in the US. Yet the political class continues to enrich itself via mafia style extortion.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It can be, but you can't make a profit from selling a product to someone who has no or too little money.
That is the fly in the ointment for critics of capitalism. Without any thought or experience, they presume sellers will always choose to sell at the highest possible price, to an obviously limited number of buyers. The real truth is that sellers make more by reducing prices to increase the number of buyers who can afford their product.

This has the additional benefit of making products available to lower income people, as well as involving them in the production of what they use.

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
if the hungry africans had anything that the western world wanted, and had enough stability to demand payment for it, instead of warlords giving it away for guns, they wouldn't be starving.

that is another discussion however. the point i was trying to make is that there is enough food to feed everyone. theoretically.
I agree there is enough food, and would point out that capitalism can flourish only under a rule of law, not the rule of the gun or warlord.

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