29 Jun 05
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Originally posted by STANGDear STANG,
I repeat myself because RHP has a huge number of members and new ones who may not have seen the message before.
I also repeat myself because the message appears to be forgotten between wars like Vietnam and Iraq.
I also repeat myself da ...[text shortened]... or me, it is not just something to be debated until you're bored.
Those posts do not help the cause.
I agree with much that you have written. I identify with the anger, the frustration and grief. However, It has been a very long time since I have opened one of your threads. I go right past your name more often than not.
The anger and repetiviness gets communicated to me as arrogance and self-rightousness. The very things you accuse my country and leaders of being. The vitrol you sprew forth makes me want to defend them.....kinda the big sister, I can call my little brother names and pick on him but you do it and I'll rip you apart. Your wagging finger in my face makes me want to bite you! And, ignore you and not take you seriously.
I am one of those who protests. I write, e-mail and petition my leaders on a regular basis. I go to the streets. I challenged my church to speak out. I send those leaders letters, e-mails and deception dollars. I voice my concerns and have for a very long time. I was worried about American Foreign Policy and its arrogance long before 9-11. I have a stash of Deception Dollars which I hand out and leave on bulletin boards.
http://www.deceptiondollar.com/
I have found these little bills to be far more mind opening that any tirade delievered. The bills direct people to "alternative" view points after getting them curious. Some of the people that I have given them to, reported back to me that they had altered some of their views.......
STANG, I would be far more able to listen and hear you if, you seemed more human to me. Which is not to say you aren't but your postings are those of a robot. I have no sense of you as a person. You are a johnny-one-note. When Shav lost his cool and posted the Astonding post which was quite a diatribe, I was willing to hear it all even though he said nothing new....because he is a "real" person to me and he has shared other adventures in his life.....shaving, varmit wrestling, drinking, happiness, dating, etc....I could listen and take his concerns as seriously as I do my own. In fact, his rant strengthend my own resolve. This are unfortunately not true of your posts.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Tanya
30 Jun 05
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYea. He is more believable than MoveOn by far.
STANG floods the forums with a specific argument. He seems to hope that sheer repetition/advertisement of his position will convince people that he is correct or at least to consider that possibility when they otherwise would not.
...[text shortened]... r him, and therefore any position he might have loses credibility.
So -- yes. I'll give him his due. Considering he is afflicted with a very difficult medical condition that disallows divergent thought patterns.
He is rather eloquent for what he has to combat.
In case you friggin' idiot pseudo's miss the obvious. Stan suffers from severe autism. He is practically a genius in spite of this terrible condition. Cut him a bit of slack. Ok?
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyUnless you know him personally I think you are just ranting yourself.
Yea. He is more believable than MoveOn by far.
So -- yes. I'll give him his due. Considering he is afflicted with a very difficult medical condition that disallows divergent thought patterns.
He is rather eloquent for what he has to combat.
In case you friggin' idiot pseudo's miss the obvious. Stan suffers from severe autism. He is practically a genius in spite of this terrible condition. Cut him a bit of slack. Ok?
You could just have as easily said schiztophrenic, probably spelled it
wrong, but people with autism for real have a very difficult time
writing anything coherantly. much like my writing, I guess🙂
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by sonhousePerhaps. But I don't think so. I have said what I think and he responded that he might as well have "ought'ism".
Unless you know him personally I think you are just ranting yourself.
You could just have as easily said schiztophrenic, probably spelled it
wrong, but people with autism for real have a very difficult time
writing anything coherantly. much like my writing, I guess🙂
I still think he is a hell of a dude for accomplishing what he has. That is just my opinion.
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by AynatHi Tanya,
STANG, I would be far more able to listen and hear you if, you seemed more human to me. Which is not to say you aren't but your postings are those of a robot. I have no sense of you as a person. You are a johnny-one-note. When Shav lost his cool and posted the Astonding post which was quite a diatribe, I was willing to hear it all even though he said nothing ...[text shortened]... resolve. This are unfortunately not true of your posts.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Tanya
Thanks for your feedback. I checked out http://www.deceptiondollar.com/ and can see why that would help in America.
I see the world as one big project - the objective being sustainable existence for all.
As with any project, there are a number of stakeholders and there will inevitably be conflict of interests. The challenge in the world project is that there are many stake holders. The responsibility of managing the project therefore needs to be shared by people not necessarily at the top of the hierarchy.
We all have a higher degree of responsibility than we might think.
(Furthermore, those at the top tend to be focus on a future as short as a political term and can also be corrupt).
An important characteristic of a good project manager is their ability to conceive possible situations, to consider and pro-actively make contingencies.
How much concern do you have when allowing for the possibility that the balance of power is going to shift over the next 50 years whilst America continues to be perceived as an aggressor with suspect motives ?
This is a question about how the world will be when it is full of WMD’s and America no longer enjoys its current level of control, when violent options are being pursued as standard, with little diplomacy towards fair an peaceful outcomes and the United Nations is dis-empowered rather than bolstered.
(This is not a question about whether America will or will not survive as the main superpower. One could otherwise end up debating whether the American economy is on the decline, make observations about how the Soviet Union was brought to its knees by over committing on its military and security, and debate whether regions like China and the ‘United States Of Europe’ have things in place to grow faster than what one might imagine, etc)
Here's just one example why people need to consider the longer term consequences of their country's actions and why it is necessary for a major overhaul of foreign policy.
Those for suicide bombing in defence of Islam:
Indonesia 27%
Pakistan 33%
Jordon 43%
Nigeria 47%
Lebanon 73%
(Sources: http://people-press.org/ and http://www.victorynewsmagazine.com/AmericaInEyesOfTheWorld.htm)
02 Jul 05
Dont work for me either, actually it does the opposite, when I see someone attack Bush, and not one single other country who supports terrerist, Im begin to think he is with them,
Like Bush said, your either for us, againts them, Or with them, againts us, you cant be in the middle
02 Jul 05
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungHis anger has turned to hatred, you can see it in his posts. And that “hate” trivializes his position.
Does his strategy work? Has it worked on any of you?
In the current polarized political climate, the hatred directed at Bush is beyond the pale of normal political discourse. Therefore when considering someones view of a sitting President, one only has to imagine that person as president to put that view into prospective.
02 Jul 05
Originally posted by flyUnityWhat a pile of crap. Up to 100,000 people died unnecessarily in Iraq because of your attitude.
Dont work for me either, actually it does the opposite, when I see someone attack Bush, and not one single other country who supports terrerist, Im begin to think he is with them,
Like Bush said, your either for us, againts them, Or with them, againts us, you cant be in the middle
Thousands also died on 9/11 because of your attitude.
Diplomacy and peace isn't about black and white.
02 Jul 05
Originally posted by xsPlease provide at least 3 specific examples with exact quotes demonstrating where my "anger has turned to hatred"
His anger has turned to hatred, you can see it in his posts. And that “hate” trivializes his position.
In the current polarized political climate, the hatred directed at Bush is beyond the pale of normal political discourse. Therefore when considering someones view of a sitting President, one only has to imagine that person as president to put that view into prospective.
02 Jul 05
Originally posted by STANGSo that would be from 0 to 100,000? We know whose attitude caused 9/11, the freaks that hijacked the planes. Diplomacy and peace aren't about terrorism either. Terrorists have no use for diplomacy and peace.
What a pile of crap. Up to 100,000 people died unnecessarily in Iraq because of your attitude.
Thousands also died on 9/11 because of your attitude.
Diplomacy and peace isn't about black and white.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by DelmerI'd say the 9/11 terrorists also had an attitude of "you're either with us or against us".
So that would be from 0 to 100,000? We know whose attitude caused 9/11, the freaks that hijacked the planes. Diplomacy and peace aren't about terrorism either. Terrorists have no use for diplomacy and peace.
Bush and his supporters have shown the same attitude, both through what they say and the deaths of up to 100,000 people in Iraq.
This attitude is not the way towards peace. It's the way towards annihlation.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by STANGAnd annihlation will be followed by peace.
I'd say the 9/11 terrorists also had an attitude of "you're either with us or against us".
Bush and his supporters have shown the same attitude, both through what they say and the deaths of up to 100,000 people in Iraq.
This attitude is not the way towards peace. It's the way towards annihlation.