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26 Jan 07
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by zeeblebotI don't think the geraniums would like my technique.
well, that doesn't mean negotiations won't continue.
but i think the west should hire you. 🙂
I would warm them up with friendly questions about that hidden Imam thingy then quietly slip them a copy of article II of the Constitution and a copy of PL 107-40 with the paragraph that gives Bush the authorizaion to do as he feels necessary highlighted.
After lunch I could ask them if the would like some yellowcake for dessert.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by MerkAnd then after you were beheaded in the town square the U.S. would disavow any knowledge of you.
I don't think the geraniums would like my technique.
I would warm them up with friendly questions about that hidden Imam thingy then quietly slip them a copy of article II of the Constitution and a copy of PL 107-40 with the paragraph that gives Bush the authorizaion to do as he feels necessary highlighted.
After lunch I could ask them if the would like some yellowcake for dessert.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by MerkA more realistic approach, which would be consistent with the NPT, would be for Iran's uranium enrichment program to be limited to what the IAEA feels is sufficient for their domestic power needs and be subject to regular inspections.
Iran wants to enrich uranium for itself and don't want to be forces to buy it from Russia or wherever. Makes sense that they wouldn't want to be forced to stop. No nation is going to like being told what to do. However, if Iran insists on domestic enrichment with a program that can produce weapons grade, there really is no point to negotiation. A program like t ...[text shortened]... tions only after Iran has verifiably stopped enrichment as an offer that cannot be expected.
In the long run, Israel must agree to give up its nuclear arsenal and accept the long standing proposals of a Nuclear Free Zone (weapons that is) in the Middle East with a rigorous inspection program for all nations there.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by no1marauderClearly Iran is going to have nuclear power at the very least. And open IAEA inspections - with full access - is by far the best way to go for all parties. The 3,000 centrifuges they have started installing really aren't a big deal. They keep getting everyone worried because yesterday when they announce that they have started installing them they also mentioned going to 54,000.
A more realistic approach, which would be consistent with the NPT, would be for Iran's uranium enrichment program to be limited to what the IAEA feels is sufficient for their domestic power needs and be subject to regular inspections.
In the long run, Israel must agree to give up its nuclear arsenal and accept the long standing proposals o ...[text shortened]... (weapons that is) in the Middle East with a rigorous inspection program for all nations there.
Also, I'm fine with Israel giving up nukes. I just wonder if anyone will ever believe they really did. If they don't, they still have their excuse.
Also, Iran has already refused access to inspectors on a couple of occasions. I know they have invited some in, but as I understand it, its only to a specific location(s). So I don't know if that's enough to settle the west down enough to get them back to the table.
The one thing that keeps bugging me about negotiations is, what does the west have to offer Iran? There is no way in hell the U.S. Is lifting any sanctions, its likely that even more sanctions will happen after this most recent announcement. They have already said they don't what fuel, so I don't see what they want to get from negotiations.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by MerkThe Iranians regard allowing inspectors in as part of the negotiating process at this time; that's only reasonable. It's rather difficult to allow inspectors in when certain countries are threatening to bomb the facilities to be inspected; during the 1990's certain UNSCOM inspectors in Iraq shared their info with intelligence agencies of the US and other nations. Such info could be used in targeting a strike.
Clearly Iran is going to have nuclear power at the very least. And open IAEA inspections - with full access - is by far the best way to go for all parties. The 3,000 centrifuges they have started installing really aren't a big deal. They keep getting everyone worried because yesterday when they announce that they have started installing them they also mentioned ...[text shortened]... lready said they don't what fuel, so I don't see what they want to get from negotiations.
I don't think the Iranians expect or care about the US lifting sanctions; the US ones have been in effect since 1980. I think they do care about their trade relations with other nations that could be affected by UN Security Council sanctions. And I think that no country wants to have to worry about being attacked, particulary an attack on a nuclear facility. So there are definitely things to be offered.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by no1marauderInspectors have been known to share intelligence, but that's why Iran or any country being inspected can select which inspectors they will allow in.
The Iranians regard allowing inspectors in as part of the negotiating process at this time; that's only reasonable. It's rather difficult to allow inspectors in when certain countries are threatening to bomb the facilities to be inspected; during the 1990's certain UNSCOM inspectors in Iraq shared their info with intelligence agencies of the US and other ...[text shortened]... , particulary an attack on a nuclear facility. So there are definitely things to be offered.
BTW, I forget who it was, but someone Involve with Iran nuclear program said that they have not started installing the 3,000. It would seem that the first guy (not involved with the n program) was speaking put of turn. When the IAEA gets there, they can confirm which one is telling the truth. (the later I would guess) I don't know if that will be enough to restart negotiations.
The best result of negotiations is a return to the pre-nuclear trade status quo in return for verifiable assurance. That seems to me like the west gets something and Iran gets nothing. (from Irans POV) Is that what Iran wants? Assurance that their n-program won't be destroyed?
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by iraqi insurgentIn your dreams putz. The only person removed the gene pool is you because your daddy whacked off on a rock and the sun hatched you.
says another balless wonder who soils his pants when he's asked to serve, seen hundreds of them, and had the pleasure of removing one or two from the gene pool