Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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Posted 10/3/2006
Environment: Remember the breathless warnings that global warming was going to bring more and stronger hurricanes? We sure do. But Mother Earth apparently forgot that she had a role to play.
'The global warming influence provides a new background level that increases the risk of future enhancements in hurricane activity," Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research said in June.
Trenberth got a large share of exposure for his theory, but he is not alone in his assessment. Other scientists have decided that human-induced global warming is going to kick up more lethal hurricanes. Even that renowned scientist Robert Kennedy Jr. has made the connection between global warming and hurricanes, blaming Mississippi's Republican governor, Haley Barbour, for his role in "in derailing the Kyoto Protocol."
All this, and the current hurricane season, is fading without a cataclysm. Does this indicate we're now in a global cooling period?
No. Last year's record number of storms, topped by the Katrina disaster that killed 1,800, indicated that we're doomed by a warming trend caused by human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases.
Maybe there was good reason for the gloomy predictions that global warming would pump hurricane activity. There were 28 tropical storms last year, a 33% jump over the previous record of 21 that was set in 1933.
Actually there wasn't a good reason. The fact that projections for the current season ending Nov. 30 were so far off the mark — we've had nine tropical storms, five of which became hurricanes — shows that predicting weather more than a few days in advance is folly, just as predicting climate change decades from now is a foolish endeavor.
Could an increase in storm activity in the last eight weeks of the season allow the count to catch up with the projections and prove the alarmists right?
Not likely, says the Colorado State University hurricane research team headed by William Gray, the man who pioneered hurricane forecasting. His team is predicting two more tropical storms and one more hurricane "largely due to developing El Nino conditions in the central and eastern Pacific."
El Nino, a warming of waters from the Indian Ocean and the western Pacific Ocean that spreads to the eastern Pacific, is fully a product of nature. Should we take this as evidence that the earth's climate system is stronger than man's ability to change it? That would be a reasonable assumption, but not one that global-warming faithful would draw.
The global-warming people have too much at stake to become reasonable. If there is little or no impact on climate from man's activities, they'll have to find another way to subvert capitalism and grind developed economies — ours especially — to a halt.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWe have had warning circulated around today warning us of extreme UV danger. Apparently the hole in the ozone opened up even wider over Australia. It was 19 degrees Celsius (66 f) here today, and a UV level of 9 (11 is extreme). That is absurd, usually the temperature has to hit 30c (86 f) for the UV index to hit 8-9.
Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterLooks like there was 33 hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones for the 05 season, and 36 this season. There have been some pretty devastating typhoons in Asia this year too.
Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOh yeah almost forgot. Half of Australia has had its hottest September ever recorded this year...
Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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Originally posted by boarmanScientists?
Whose to say that the hole in the ozone layer has not been there all the time.
http://www.af-info.or.jp/eng/honor/hot/enr-solomon.html
Ozone occurs naturally in the atmosphere when oxygen molecules are photodissociated (split up) by ultra-violet light. Its location in the atmosphere is determined by the global circulation, so can vary from day to day just as the weather.
The large size of the ozone hole was determined to be solely due to man's influence on the atmosphere (see above reference).
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterFrom the under-secretary of NOAA, Conrad Lautenbacher Jr.:
Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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'Many of you have probably seen the latest reports concerning a document on Atlantic hurricanes and climate. I do not make it a practice to comment on every mischaracterization and falsehood in media reports. However, reports that deal with the agency’s scientific integrity strike directly at NOAA’s mission and everything the agency does. Therefore, I believe strongly that we must confront them directly and correct them quickly.
Without the foundation of sound science, every decision, policy, and action at the agency can be called into question. Unfortunately, the mere perception of scientific stifling has the same damaging effect. As someone who believes wholeheartedly in NOAA’s mission, its people and its work, I will continue to do everything in my power to ensure that NOAA stands for scientific integrity. As I’ve stated previously, peer-reviewed science speaks for itself and doesn’t need me or anyone else to interpret or modify the results. For those of you who know me personally, you realize that I encourage and actively pursue vigorous debate on all topics, particularly including science related to NOAA’s mission.
The latest round of news reports focus on an information sheet that was being prepared for this year’s hurricane season rollout. The information sheet detailed the current state of the science on the recent increase in hurricane activity. There is currently a healthy debate in the scientific community inside and outside NOAA about whether recent increases are the result of natural cycles, climate change, or other circumstances. The information sheet was prepared and reviewed in a highly collaborative fashion by nearly 50 scientists across the entire spectrum of the debate and aimed to highlight this debate in an easy-to-understand public document.
Media reports have alleged that the document was blocked because it made a reference to work by NOAA scientists that found climate change may have an impact on increased hurricane activity. This charge is inaccurate. The information sheet summarized existing scientific research and findings and contained no new science. In fact, all the studies cited for the information sheet are publicly available on the NOAA website, making the charge that they would somehow now be suppressed all the more unfounded.
The information sheet in question has been posted on our website (PDF document: http://hurricanes.noaa.gov/pdf/hurricanes-and-climate-change-09-2006.pdf). I urge you to read the document so you can judge for yourself. As I tried to make clear to the media, my hope was that this process would be an exercise in scientists with different views coming together to answer important questions. While I fear an official science policy issued by the agency might have the effect of stifling this important debate, I completely support making the public aware of the state of the science. We have established a process for encouraging further scientific debate and developing similar information sheets and we look forward to others coming out in the near future.'
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeYes but they didnt know that it existed before they had the equipment to see that it was there.It was only equipment that enabled them to see it in the first place ,you cant see it with the naked eye so over 300 years ago it would not of been able to be detected .
Scientists?
http://www.af-info.or.jp/eng/honor/hot/enr-solomon.html
Ozone occurs naturally in the atmosphere when oxygen molecules are photodissociated (split up) by ultra-violet light. Its location in the atmosphere is determined by the global circulation, so can vary from day to day just as the weather.
The large size of the ozone hole was determined to be solely due to man's influence on the atmosphere (see above reference).
Answer this for me When was the hole first discovered and by what instrument?
Originally posted by boarmanIt looks like reliable measurements of stratospheric ozone were only available from the 1960's. You are right, I think we have no definite way of knowing whether holes in the ozone layer over the antarctic have reached sizes comparable to the present one in the past.
Yes but they didnt know that it existed before they had the equipment to see that it was there.It was only equipment that enabled them to see it in the first place ,you cant see it with the naked eye so over 300 years ago it would not of been able to be detected .
Answer this for me When was the hole first discovered and by what instrument?
However we do know that before the industrial revolution the cause of the present ozone hole - CFCs (this fact has been thoroughly proven by scientists and accepted by governments) - was not present in the atmosphere:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
Nor are the most relevant CFCs produced naturally (in significant amounts).
Therefore, this ozone hole was caused by man.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIt's an el nino year this year. See you next year when a hurricane takes out another US city.
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterTry answering the questions addressed to you on this thread before opening up more of your lies regarding global warming in other threads.
Where are all the hurricanes the "global warming" alarmists promised us?
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Originally posted by howardgeeNo lies here...there are fewer hurricanes this season, contrary to all of the doom and gloom preached by "global warming" alarmists like you. And why do you keep cyberstalking me on this forum and with your annoying PMs? I find your entreaties boorish and have already told you as much.
Try answering the questions addressed to you on this thread before opening up more of your lies regarding global warming in other threads.
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Originally posted by boarmanI thought it was the governments that were trying to cover up global warming? Do they take the blame for both sides of the arguement?
Whose to say that the hole in the ozone layer has not been there all the time ,Its constantly changing (opening ,closing ) so its just a cycle .
All this worry about climate change is BS,another scare tactic by governments and the doomsdayers .
Just get on with living life and dont worry.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYes, I would expect that in an El nino year. What would you expect? Why do you refuse to debate me on this?
No lies here...there are fewer hurricanes this season, contrary to all of the doom and gloom preached by "global warming" alarmists like you. And why do you keep cyberstalking me on this forum and with your annoying PMs? I find your entreaties boorish and have already told you as much.