Originally posted by Seitseoh dear Seitse, i appreciate you're only about 12 and have yet to purchase a dictionary but it goes like this, Mengele operated on victims, surgeons operate on patients...
So you're interested in semantics, uh?
Well, the fact that it "sounds" like Eugenics and Mengele suggests
that there is no accusation but a resemblance. I don't know how good
your brain works, but I hope you can distinguish between a
resemblance and a straight accusation.
Eugenics involves operations on humans to alter their state and
Mengele did i ...[text shortened]... sorry to disapoint you but I won't discuss
with a person that misunderstands everything.
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenMaybe in Bangladesh, your country, mate... you should see the bills of
oh dear Seitse, i appreciate you're only about 12 and have yet to purchase a dictionary but it goes like this, Mengele operated on victims, surgeons operate on patients...
doctors in the western world. They're victims.
Hint: Read Mengele's letters to his mentor and how he saw the
objects of his experiments. But, hey, you cannot force people to read,
can you?
🙂
I don't know about Europe or any other Countries, but in the USA doctors are no better than lawyers when it comes to ethics .. in other words .. businessmen with a vested interest in "selling" their services.
Mostly in bed with lawyers, insurance Companys and the Pharm. Companys.
I rate them just little below politicians and lawyers when it comes ethics.
Businessmen, pure and simple.
and then there's this ...
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THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH
I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.
"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction. I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgement and NEVER DO HARM TO ANYONE ( my caps). To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."
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Might be hard to justify what they plan on doing to this girl .. but, don't let that stop you .. there is MONEY to be made.
Originally posted by jammerHippocratic oath : "To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion."
and then there's this ...
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THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH
I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.
"To consider dear to me as my parents him who hey plan on doing to this girl .. but, don't let that stop you .. there is MONEY to be made.
They twist the words until they meet their demands and when it is simply impossible to do so they simply erase those parts which do not fit in with their ideology.
What is this Hippocratic oath worth if they can do away with parts of it whenever they please ?
If you can kill somebody "for their own good" (which means that their (?)"quality of life" does not meet our enlightened demands) you can certainly make them more "fitting" in order to increase their (?) "quality of life".
Originally posted by ZahlanziI think that in keeping this child for nine years the parents have proven that they are trying to provide an easier life for the child. Think what social life most parents have when they have a new born baby. They've experienced this for nine years. Most people who are looking out for their own interests wouldn't do that.
how about cut her hands and feet to make her more compact? how about pluggin her to a machine and have her fed intravenously because it is much more easy. what those selfish bastardish monsters did is beyond Mengele.
the parents lie, they did this to make it easier on them, not improve the quality of life for the child. with the intellect of a 3 month c ...[text shortened]... t notice if she was 9 or 40. it would have been more decent to have her committed than do this.
Now think about what would happen to her if she were put into the foster care system. She would probably be placed with a family that has aboslutely idea how to care for her (even if she doesn't have other medical problems)and probably can't lift her either, and she would probably be sexually abused. Staying with someone who's qualified to care for her is better than that.
And with the intellect of a 3 month old, I doubt she'd notice whether she weighed 120 pounds or 70, whether or not she had breasts, or whether or not she had ovaries. She'd probably be a lot happier without them. If she had her period, the cramps would be too much for an infant to handle, and she would be in agony. I'm 15, and my mother has a hard enough time dealing with me on my period (and I don't cry and scream [much]).
At the end of the day, you have no idea how hard it must be on the parents to care for a child with these problems. I doubt watching their only child's organs being removed is very easy for them either. Until you find yourself in their position, I think it'd be extremely difficult for you to imagine what it's like. And for you to judge them without thinking of the repercussions of your suggested course is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Remora91Remora91; "At the end of the day, you have no idea how hard it must be on the parents to care for a child with these problems."
I think that in keeping this child for nine years the parents have proven that they are trying to provide an easier life for the child. Think what social life most parents have when they have a new born baby. They've experienced this for nine years. Most people who are looking out for their own interests wouldn't do that.
Now think about what would happe ...[text shortened]... e them without thinking of the repercussions of your suggested course is ridiculous.
At the end of the day these appeals to emotion and pity will be used to justify the killing of these human beings.
Originally posted by ivanhoeAt the end of the day that's nothing more than a slippery slope argument.
Remora91; "At the end of the day, you have no idea how hard it must be on the parents to care for a child with these problems."
At the end of the day these appeals to emotion and pity will be used to justify the killing of these human beings.
Originally posted by ivanhoeOkay, Chicken Little.
Remora91; "At the end of the day, you have no idea how hard it must be on the parents to care for a child with these problems."
At the end of the day these appeals to emotion and pity will be used to justify the killing of these human beings.
Edit: I find it interesting you haven't responded to the rest of my post.
Originally posted by Remora91A very well written post and good points made, well done.
I think that in keeping this child for nine years the parents have proven that they are trying to provide an easier life for the child. Think what social life most parents have when they have a new born baby. They've experienced this for nine years. Most people who are looking out for their own interests wouldn't do that.
Now think about what would happe ...[text shortened]... e them without thinking of the repercussions of your suggested course is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Pawn QweenA set of red herrings, appeals to pity and emotion do not constitute a well written post to justify physical mutilation of a human being. You need other arguments to do that, not irrational reasoning.
A very well written post and good points made, well done.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/emotiona.html
Originally posted by Remora91"Now think about what would happen to her if she were put into the foster care system. She would probably be placed with a family that has aboslutely idea how to care for her (even if she doesn't have other medical problems)and probably can't lift her either, and she would probably be sexually abused."
Okay, Chicken Little.
Edit: I find it interesting you haven't responded to the rest of my post.
This is absolutely ridiculous and most insulting to all foster parents.
Originally posted by XanthosNZAgain someone who does not understand, or does not want to understand, the difference between a slippery slope argument and the path a societal development takes. I was of course referring to the latter and the way irrational reasoning, all sorts of red herrings and a landscape of appeals to pity, like in Remora's post, are being used in the context of the debates which preceed these societal developments.
At the end of the day that's nothing more than a slippery slope argument.
Originally posted by ivanhoeDid you not read this:
A set of red herrings, appeals to pity and emotion do not constitute a well written post to justify physical mutilation of a human being. You need other arguments to do that, not irrational reasoning.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/emotiona.html
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html
before you made your post that this case would lead to the killing of human beings?