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@kevcvs57
again. My friend is not imaginary. He understands why Putin did what he did, however he doesn't agree with it. The refugees are understandably mad, they have nothing to return to. Homes are destroyed, while the Zelensky government keeps taking US/UN money for themselves. Kind of sounds like my own governement. Enriching themselves at the ruin of other people. Where is the audit or paper trail of where the money has gone? Again, i am for peace, what are you for?
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@kevcvs57 saidsounds like you will only read what you want to hear. Not very open minded of you.
“Just relaying facts from my friend. He does exist. Most ukrainians are pro- Russia.”
That’s such a big lie that I didn’t bother reading the rest.
What to do is go to Ukraine and start waving a Russian flag about but be sure to take your friend with you.
You should read up on current affairs
Ukraine and Russia should be very close they have so many historical and family ...[text shortened]... in but Ukraine will not view Russia as a benign neighbour and cousin for a few generations at least.
02 Jun 23
@kevcvs57 saidDoes that mean you would have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Nazi, Oleh Tyahnybok while you supported the Maidan uprising?
I too support the Maidan uprising and I’m no Nazi. Putin is the Nazi. I suppose the EU are also Nazis.
Try not to be a complete halfwitted Russian stooge.
@boonon saidYou’re not getting it are you. YOU CANNOT USE A SUPPOSED ‘FRIENDS’ SUPPOSED OPINION ABOUT A COUNTRY HE OR SHE SUPPOSEDLY LEFT 20YRS AGO TO ARGUE THAT BLACK IS WHITE
sounds like you will only read what you want to hear. Not very open minded of you.
Ukrainians do not love Russia anymore and many of them never did, certainly not in central and western Ukraine, in the far east of Ukraine it may be more nuanced, that’s why I think that region should be administered by a neutral party until they decide their own future.
Stop debating like an idiotic child, oh yeah and stop lying.
“ @boonon said
sounds like you will only read what you want to hear. Not very open minded of you.”
Lol pot kettle black.
02 Jun 23
@metal-brain saidMaidan was about removing the Russian NAZI’s and blood sucking Kremlin oligarchs from Ukraine.
Does that mean you would have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Nazi, Oleh Tyahnybok while you supported the Maidan uprising?
You support Putin so you are the NAZI.
02 Jun 23
@metal-brain saidHis friend clearly does not exist you retard, it’s a glove puppet that cannot even be bothered to get an account on the site.
His friend is Ukrainian. There was a coup in 2014 and there is no dispute about that. It is called the Maidan Revolution or the Ukrainian Revolution. Look it up.
Move on to calling Putin a liar for saying the USA was behind it. That is the only thing left to debate. His Ukrainian friend is spot on.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/russias-putin-accuses-us-of-orchestrating-2014-coup-in-ukraine
02 Jun 23
@kevcvs57 saidYou are very childish.
Maidan was about removing the Russian NAZI’s and blood sucking Kremlin oligarchs from Ukraine.
You support Putin so you are the NAZI.
You are secretly ashamed of western support of Nazis in Ukraine so you call people that fought the Nazis during WW2 harder than any nation on earth Nazis. Typical psychological projection. Accuse the Nazi fighters of being Nazis to fool yourself into suppressing your shame for supporting a US backed coup to install Nazis into power.
Do you feel better about siding with the Nazis now?
@divegeester saidBingo! Thinking for oneself is hard work. It also implies taking responsibility for who one is and what one does. The very essence of Trumpism is: avoiding work, spending other people’s money, and making other people take the fall. One can almost see the appeal, for a certain class of people…
One of core appeals of Trumpism is not having to think for yourself.
02 Jun 23
@kevcvs57 saidThat is what you said about the coup in Ukraine. You said there was no coup. Is that because of euphemisms? Because if you call the coup the Revolution of Dignity it doesn't sound like a coup anymore, does it?
His friend clearly does not exist you retard, it’s a glove puppet that cannot even be bothered to get an account on the site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
The Revolution of Dignity was a coup. Any more turds you want to put powdered sugar on? They will still be turds like John McCain and Victoria Nuland.
02 Jun 23
@metal-brain saidIt was a justified mass uprising against a regime that reneged on an election promise, namely the signing of articles to pave the way for Ukraines EU membership at the behest of the Kremlin.
That is what you said about the coup in Ukraine. You said there was no coup. Is that because of euphemisms? Because if you call the coup the Revolution of Dignity it doesn't sound like a coup anymore, does it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
The Revolution of Dignity was a coup. Any more turds you want to put powdered sugar on? They will still be turds like John McCain and Victoria Nuland.
A coup is usually carried out by a small cabal of insiders around the seat of power.
Hey imbecile was the Cuban revolution a coup?
Popular uprisings are not coups you lying Kremlin lackey.
02 Jun 23
@kevcvs57 saidReneging on an election promise is commonplace in politics worldwide. Did Trump build the wall? The US backed coup in Ukraine is much like Operation Ajax.
It was a justified mass uprising against a regime that reneged on an election promise, namely the signing of articles to pave the way for Ukraines EU membership at the behest of the Kremlin.
A coup is usually carried out by a small cabal of insiders around the seat of power.
Hey imbecile was the Cuban revolution a coup?
Popular uprisings are not coups you lying Kremlin lackey.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/
The Cuban revolution was a coup. Batista was overthrown.
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I am not arguing. I am using facts. You are using your own personal opinion about something you know nothing about. Are you Ukrainian?? No , but you speak for them as if you have lived their your whole life. Everything you have said is pure opinion on a subject you know nothing about. I am left to assume that you are for WWIII because you have not commented on that question.
03 Jun 23
@metal-brain saidIt is when your order to renege blatantly comes from a foreign government.
Reneging on an election promise is commonplace in politics worldwide. Did Trump build the wall? The US backed coup in Ukraine is much like Operation Ajax.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/
The Cuban revolution was a coup. Batista was overthrown.
Maidan was about the people taking back sovereign political power from the Kremlin, it’s looking like some Russians have the same plan.
“ The Cuban revolution was a coup. Batista was overthrown”
So the USA has the right to invade Cuba or anywhere else in the world that has had a coup then.
Have you mentioned this to your bosses in Beijing and Moscow
@boonon said"I am using facts"
@kevcvs57
I am not arguing. I am using facts. You are using your own personal opinion about something you know nothing about. Are you Ukrainian?? No , but you speak for them as if you have lived their your whole life. Everything you have said is pure opinion on a subject you know nothing about. I am left to assume that you are for WWIII because you have not commented on that question.
Like the "maybe zelensky is corrupt" fact?
"Are you Ukrainian?? No , but you speak for them as if you have lived their your whole life. "
No but there are a lot of Ukrainians that have voiced their opinions on the matter.
"Everything you have said is pure opinion on a subject you know nothing about"
General statements like these are meaningless.
"I am left to assume that you are for WWIII because you have not commented on that question."
???
03 Jun 23
@metal-brain saidYour link doesn't call it a coup. The entire world except Russia doesn't call it a coup. Only russia and internet trolls like yourself call it that
That is what you said about the coup in Ukraine. You said there was no coup. Is that because of euphemisms? Because if you call the coup the Revolution of Dignity it doesn't sound like a coup anymore, does it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
The Revolution of Dignity was a coup. Any more turds you want to put powdered sugar on? They will still be turds like John McCain and Victoria Nuland.
There were uprisings because the corrupt president wanted closer ties with Russia. People died because that president ordered the police to attack the protesters just after he received 2 billion dollars out of a 15 billion loan from Russia. When he got a bout of conscience and attempted to make concessions to the opposition Russia said they were halting the remaining millions because Yanukovich was "a doormat"
"On 21 February, after the failed crackdown killed almost 100 people, Yanukovych made concessions to the opposition. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that Yanukovych needed to stop behaving like a "doormat", and that further loan installments would be withheld. A Russian political adviser, Sergey Markov, said, "Russia will do everything allowable by law to stop [the opposition] from coming to power."["
This all screams that Russia was actively interfering in Ukraine.
When that president was no more, the uprisings stopped. The people had voiced their opinion.