For a long time the efforts aimed at achieving a settlement to the conflict were based on the principle of “land for peace,” meaning that if Israel withdraws from the occupied Arab territories, including the occupied Palestinian land, the Arabs will make peace with Israel.
https://archive.unescwa.org/land-peace-principle
It obviously did not work. Who is the most to blame for that?
@metal-brain saidIsrael.
For a long time the efforts aimed at achieving a settlement to the conflict were based on the principle of “land for peace,” meaning that if Israel withdraws from the occupied Arab territories, including the occupied Palestinian land, the Arabs will make peace with Israel.
https://archive.unescwa.org/land-peace-principle
It obviously did not work. Who is the most to blame for that?
Looking back is not going to offer solutions going forward. Although, one does not really want to use the term “solution” when talking about the inhabitants of Israel… perhaps another word would be more suitable.
@metal-brain saidIt obviously did not work. Who is the most to blame for that?
For a long time the efforts aimed at achieving a settlement to the conflict were based on the principle of “land for peace,” meaning that if Israel withdraws from the occupied Arab territories, including the occupied Palestinian land, the Arabs will make peace with Israel.
https://archive.unescwa.org/land-peace-principle
It obviously did not work. Who is the most to blame for that?
The state of Israel is to blame. Stealing land belonging to others and building tract housing on it when there are plenty of sites within your own country to do so is going to create a lot of anger, especially when the Palestinian people are crowded into such a tiny space. I don't condone these attacks but painting Israel as an innocent martyr make no sense whatsoever.
@metal-brain saidZionist expansionists and extremist muslim movements and regimes that will settle for nothing less than the elimination of Israel
For a long time the efforts aimed at achieving a settlement to the conflict were based on the principle of “land for peace,” meaning that if Israel withdraws from the occupied Arab territories, including the occupied Palestinian land, the Arabs will make peace with Israel.
https://archive.unescwa.org/land-peace-principle
It obviously did not work. Who is the most to blame for that?
History of the World, Part I
Moses comes down from the summit of Mt. Sinai holding two clay tablets. He addresses his band of vagabonds, whom he has led out of bondage in Egypt. They have been marauding about the desert for months; they are tired, hungry, and just about fed up with their Speaker.
Moses: OK guys, listen up. I've been speaking with the Big Guy, and ... umm ... there's good news and bad news.
Assembled multitude [tumultuous outburst]: The good news! The good news!
Moses: OK, here goes. God promises He will lead us to a land of milk and honey. The dates and avocados will just drop from the trees.
Assembled multitude [tumultuous outburst]: Hurrah !! Hurrah !!
[sotto voce] (WTF's an avocado??)
Moses: Calm down now. Here's the bad news. [holds up clay tablets] You have to stop murdering, pillaging, raping, fornicating, b*ggering yer neighbor's donkey, overvaluing property to get a loan, and telling lies.
Assembled multitude [tumultuous outburst]: BOOO! Down with the Speaker! Motion to vacate !! Motion to vacate !!
Moses: OK OK, hang on. I'll compromise. This 'thou shalt not' stuff applies only amongst ourselves. You can still kill, rape, and pillage whatever savages we find there when we get to the Promised Land. Do we have a deal?
Assembled multitude [tumultuous outburst]: Hurrah ! Hurrah !!
Moses: Whew, I'm still the Speaker. Amen to that.
@kevcvs57 saidIf Putin offered land for peace in Ukraine then Ukraine should accept the offer, right? If it is good for Gaza and the West Bank it is good for Ukraine. Right?
Zionist expansionists and extremist muslim movements and regimes that will settle for nothing less than the elimination of Israel
Go ahead, tell us all how it is different.
@metal-brain saidIndeed Putin could offer
If Putin offered land for peace in Ukraine then Ukraine should accept the offer, right? If it is good for Gaza and the West Bank it is good for Ukraine. Right?
Go ahead, tell us all how it is different.
* to leave all of the Ukrainian triirtory, wfor which frontiers Russia is a guarantee state per the Budapest memorandum. War would end imidiately.
* he probably even could offer a stus quo ante (the attack) and get peace, though this is less sure.
@ponderable saidAnd Netanyahu could offer the same thing to the Palestinians, end the blockade imposed on Gaza and let them come and go as they please.
Indeed Putin could offer
* to leave all of the Ukrainian triirtory, wfor which frontiers Russia is a guarantee state per the Budapest memorandum. War would end imidiately.
* he probably even could offer a stus quo ante (the attack) and get peace, though this is less sure.
How is Zelensky any more reasonable than Arafat was? Like Arafat, Zelensky wants all of the territory back. If Arafat was a fool for refusing why is Zelensky any less of a fool?
@metal-brain saidNot sure what you’re asking they gave them Gaza back and that’s where they launched the attacks from and yes if Russia gave Ukraine its land back the war would end tomorrow. What was your point again
If Putin offered land for peace in Ukraine then Ukraine should accept the offer, right? If it is good for Gaza and the West Bank it is good for Ukraine. Right?
Go ahead, tell us all how it is different.
@kevcvs57 saidAre you claiming Israel gave back all of the land they took from the Palestinians?
Not sure what you’re asking they gave them Gaza back and that’s where they launched the attacks from and yes if Russia gave Ukraine its land back the war would end tomorrow. What was your point again
@metal-brain saidI think if you go back a bit into the history you would see that in 1948 the intention of the British was to divide the whole area 50/50 so that each group can have their own separate govt and coexist. The Jews accepted and the indigenous Palestinians refused. The British got tired of these failed negotiations and they left both parties to sort it out. So what happened next became the norm for the next 70 years
Are you claiming Israel gave back all of the land they took from the Palestinians?
- Israel surrounded by enemies who were better armed [until recently]
- All the surrounding countries did not want the Jews at all. They wanted them dead.
- Israel is still there after dozens of wars and 100s of attacks.
- The Palestinians do not want peace
Maybe the only man who succeeded in getting some peace is Arafat, for a short while, but the Palestinians did not like him. The indigenous Palestinians want war, hence they will elect the most brutal leaders.
@rajk999 saidYou are not denying the Zionists stole land from the Palestinians.
I think if you go back a bit into the history you would see that in 1948 the intention of the British was to divide the whole area 50/50 so that each group can have their own separate govt and coexist. The Jews accepted and the indigenous Palestinians refused. The British got tired of these failed negotiations and they left both parties to sort it out. So what happened next ...[text shortened]... d not like him. The indigenous Palestinians want war, hence they will elect the most brutal leaders.
When you steal land from people they tend to get angry. Isn't that the heart of the problem here?
Why did the Jews leave that area to begin with? Is it because the Jews were thieving scammers and nobody liked them because of it? Isn't that why the Gypsies were forced out of India? They were thieving scammers that wore out their welcome and had to leave and move where people were unaware of what cads they were. Then they wore out their welcome there and moved again, and again, and again.
The Zionists are land thieves and selfish in general. That is why they are so hated. They could not stay in one place long enough to have their own country, so they roamed from country to country hoping people would not catch on to their thieving and scamming.
Apparently you just like land thieves. That is what the Zionists are. They are land thieves.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's land.
Goods, land...... What is the difference?
Egypt cannot handle 2 million refugees. Heck, even the USA cannot handle all of the Hispanic people at the border and have to deport most of them. And didn't the USA refuse to take all the Jews that wanted to immigrate to the USA during WW2? Seems to me you have some psychological projection going on. Nobody wanted the Jews here in great numbers so you are projecting it onto the Palestinians.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security. Seems to me the Jews were about as unwanted as any race. It must have been their own fault if I use the same victim blaming logic that you used. Imagine how the Nazis reacted when FDR rejected the Jews. Even the USA does not want those cads. Right?
@rajk999 saidThe intention of the British was to install puppet governments under the control of their empire. Iraq is a good example. The people of Iraq knew their government was a puppet of the empire. That is why they overthrew their government.
I think if you go back a bit into the history you would see that in 1948 the intention of the British was to divide the whole area 50/50 so that each group can have their own separate govt and coexist. The Jews accepted and the indigenous Palestinians refused. The British got tired of these failed negotiations and they left both parties to sort it out. So what happened next ...[text shortened]... d not like him. The indigenous Palestinians want war, hence they will elect the most brutal leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Iraq
France was part of the British Empire and oversaw a puppet government in the area of Syria. It was colonialism to divide the spoils of the Ottoman empire after WW1
https://www.britannica.com/place/Syria/The-French-mandate
Israel is just another puppet of the empire. The British empire lost control of Iraq and Syria and created Israel to try to regain their loss of control of that region. The Zionist state is the result of imperialism and like all puppet governments the empire protects it and invests in it. Over 3 billion per year to Israel earmarked for mostly weapons.
The United Kingdom had agreed in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence that it would honour Arab independence if the Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Turks, but in the end, the United Kingdom and France divided the area under the Sykes–Picot Agreement—an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
If Israel is not a puppet state of the empire why do they need charity from the USA? Israel is either a puppet nation or a parasite nation sucking on the USA like a tick. Which is it?
@metal-brain saidUnderdogs, sad to say. .. they always get a raw deal. Sometimes they deserve it and sometimes they dont. The trick is to figure out where you are in the world, what place you have in the scheme of things. The Palestinians have not yet figured it out.
The intention of the British was to install puppet governments under the control of their empire. Iraq is a good example. The people of Iraq knew their government was a puppet of the empire. That is why they overthrew their government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Iraq
France was part of the British Empire and oversaw a puppet government in the area of S ...[text shortened]... ? Israel is either a puppet nation or a parasite nation sucking on the USA like a tick. Which is it?
So you can call it puppet this, that and the other. The point is that people gravitate towards success, towards peace, towards prosperity. That is why there are over 2,000,000 Arabs living in Israel and almost no Jews living in Gaza. The place is a slum.
This has been going on since 1890, thats 130 years since the Zionist movement started buying up property. The Jews are going to reclaim every square inch of land that the Bible marked off as theirs. Nothing is going to stop them.