Liberals Win in Canada

Originally posted by no1marauder
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/20/us-canada-election-idUSKCN0SD17X20151020

Some excerpts:

The Liberals seized a Parliamentary majority, a turn in political fortunes that smashed the record for the number of seats gained from one election to the next. The center-left Liberals had been a distant third place party before this election.

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An omen for the US and Bernie Sanders in 2016?

I don't think this is an omen for Bernie. I do however find it interesting that conservatives have been ranting and raving for decades about how socialist economic policies ruin economies by stifling free enterprise, yet the economy in Canada, which is more socialist than the USA has been vibrant and stable for decades, even dodging the worst of the great recession. I'm still waiting for a conservative to explain why. 😏

Originally posted by bill718
I don't think this is an omen for Bernie. I do however find it interesting that conservatives have been ranting and raving for decades about how socialist economic policies ruin economies by stifling free enterprise, yet the economy in Canada, which is more socialist than the USA has been vibrant and stable for decades, even dodging the worst of the great recession. I'm still waiting for a conservative to explain why. 😏

I could just as easily point to Greece and condemn socialism.

And that is the crux of socialist thinking. They lump everyone into the same group and think it should work for everyone.

Originally posted by sh76
I don't think Bernie Sanders has more than, say, a 2% chance of becoming President. But I would choose him over Hillary or Biden. At least Sanders would try new policies and see how they work. If they don't work, we could always undo them.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders

At this point in time, based on recent polls, Sanders has 45.3% and Trump has 45.3%. Do not underestimate the power of Bernie to win. People like me are working hard to make sure that all those who want to vote have a "proper ID" should their state require one and a way to get to the polls in 2016.

Originally posted by bill718
I don't think this is an omen for Bernie. I do however find it interesting that conservatives have been ranting and raving for decades about how socialist economic policies ruin economies by stifling free enterprise, yet the economy in Canada, which is more socialist than the USA has been vibrant and stable for decades, even dodging the worst of the great recession. I'm still waiting for a conservative to explain why. 😏

Canada has far stricter banking/financial center rules and regulations than the U.S. I think most Northern European countries, if not all of them, have a higher standard of living, more opportunities to personally advance economically and a healthier middle class than the U.S. not to mention a far lower percentage of their population in prison and far fewer homicides.

Originally posted by whodey
I could just as easily point to Greece and condemn socialism.

And that is the crux of socialist thinking. They lump everyone into the same group and think it should work for everyone.

What would you say is it that makes Greece a prime example of "socialism" in action?

Originally posted by bill718
I don't think this is an omen for Bernie. I do however find it interesting that conservatives have been ranting and raving for decades about how socialist economic policies ruin economies by stifling free enterprise, yet the economy in Canada, which is more socialist than the USA has been vibrant and stable for decades, even dodging the worst of the great recession. I'm still waiting for a conservative to explain why. 😏

You see Canada from afar. Canadians are far from unanimous about the condition of their country and government. There is serious talk about secession nearly every year.

Originally posted by sh76
The welfare reform signed into law by Bill Clinton rolled back federal welfare to a large extent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

Most programs can be rolled back if the political will exists,

That is an exception to the rule. You know better than I that national and State laws are seldom repealed. More often they are ignored, and brought out on occasion to punish particular individuals.

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Cite to me the portion of the US Constitution that made secession unlawful.

Originally posted by Phranny
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders

At this point in time, based on recent polls, Sanders has 45.3% and Trump has 45.3%. Do not underestimate the power of Bernie to win. People like me are working hard to make sure that all those who want to vote have a "proper ID" should their state require one and a way to get to the polls in 2016.

If he runs against Trump, he can win.

1. I don't think he can get the Dem nomination unless Hillary implodes.

2. I still don't think Trump will be the GOP nominee.

Originally posted by sh76
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2. I still don't think Trump will be the GOP nominee.

You think, or you hope? Wishing away poll results led me to much grief last time around. 🙂

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
You think, or you hope? Trying to wish away poll results led me to much grief last time around. 🙂

I am still one of those who wonder why Trump would want the job, and I think that will dawn on him one of these days, when to polls get tighter.

I don't think Sanders has a hope. I don't think Clinton can win in the general, so it comes down to a white knight saving the Dems from themselves, and who will finally win the nomination on the R side. I'm thinking Ben Carson, slow and steady wins the race.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
You think, or you hope? Wishing away poll results led me to much grief last time around. 🙂

Trump's poll figures will go down once the not-so-massive-idiots start seriously considering which candidate they prefer.

According to a Sep 1 poll, 66% of Trump supporters think Obama is a Muslim, with 12% conceding that he is a Christian. 61% think he was born outside the US.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-supporters-think-obama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html

There are many idiots, but are there enough to really get Trump the nomination? I'm optimistic enough to seriously doubt it.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Trump's poll figures will go down once the not-so-massive-idiots start seriously considering which candidate they prefer.

According to a Sep 1 poll, 66% of Trump supporters think Obama is a Muslim, with 12% conceding that he is a Christian. 61% think he was born outside the US.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-supporters-think-o ...[text shortened]... re there enough to really get Trump the nomination? I'm optimistic enough to seriously doubt it.

But there is another draw to Trump besides all that wacko stuff. Our government is corrupt and people are sick of it. I think there a lot of people who will vote for him despite his flaws simply because all the right people (establishment GOP) don't want him, and a vote for him is like a middle finger to those bastards.