23 Jun 06
Originally posted by flyUnityYes, but they were found to be so old that they wouldn't inflict harm upon anybody. So says the cheif US inspector in 2005. Leftovers.
What about all the WMD's being found in Iraq? Over 500 artillery shells with chemical weapons in the tips of them found in Iraq.
With terrorist controlling these, that is not a good thing.
I wonder if you would see the first-hand affects of sarin and mustard gas, if you would change your views somewhat.
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1394
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by sword4damocles1 - Especially Iraqi children. You seem to be accussing the WHO of misrepresenting it's data. I wonder where your data to justify that is? Why not just type in "depleted uranium" and "cancer" into google. That'll tell you all you need to know.
1 - Huge increase in cancer rates just for the Iraqis huh. But not for us? You can skew whatever data you want, anyone can.
2 - I have a good friend and co-worker who is our area representative for the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) and I've spoken with him about this subject on a few occasions and I'm convinced that the DU ordnance after-effect ...[text shortened]... one side saying one thing and another side saying another thing.
Just like these forums.
2- I'd be surprised, you didn't seem to know anything about this subject two posts ago.
3 - WHO. Do you think Saddam is so evil he emits radiation now?
4 - Lung cancer rates are on the increase in US troops - look it up!
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by socialist1917The simple fact: Iraq did have WMD's. Although most of the them were unusable (around 75% of them I believe) Its the chemical inside that is so dangerous, And they have a shelf life of many many years.
Yes, but they were found to be so old that they wouldn't inflict harm upon anybody. So says the cheif US inspector in 2005. Leftovers.
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1394
The Iraqi leaders used these, and lied about them also.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzRead this March 13, 2006 article, just one of many written by authentic sources, not those who only look at raw data and draw an oversimplistic connection with no real scienticic basis. Simply 'connecting the dots' does not make it correct.
1 - Especially Iraqi children. You seem to be accussing the WHO of misrepresenting it's data. I wonder where your data to justify that is? Why not just type in "depleted uranium" and "cancer" into google. That'll tell you all you need to know.
2- I'd be surprised, you didn't seem to know anything about this subject two posts ago.
3 - WHO. Do y ...[text shortened]... s radiation now?
4 - Lung cancer rates are on the increase in US troops - look it up!
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/03/13/nathan.htm
Because Uranium is associated with, (gasp!) nuclear bombs (see: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Nuclear Winter, End of Civilization, panic, hyper-screaming hysteria, etc.) and (double gasp!) nuclear reactors (see: Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Los Alamos, deep-fried crispy babies, etc.), most people are irrational and have a superstitious fear of the stuff. This sadly seems to be especially true of liberal arts majors and juris “doctors” (i.e., lawyers).
To understand the claims and get past the hysteria and gossip, we need a very basic chemistry and physics lesson. Many years ago, back in the early 1990s, in fact, after the ’91 Gulf War, I did some research about DU. Here are some basic facts about this material:
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzCancer rates are up everywhere, that is not a valid argument.
1 - Especially Iraqi children. You seem to be accussing the WHO of misrepresenting it's data. I wonder where your data to justify that is? Why not just type in "depleted uranium" and "cancer" into google. That'll tell you all you need to know.
2- I'd be surprised, you didn't seem to know anything about this subject two posts ago.
3 - WHO. Do y ...[text shortened]... s radiation now?
4 - Lung cancer rates are on the increase in US troops - look it up!
You could almost type anything with cancer, and find results, Do a google search of soda with cancer, and see what you get.
you can get data for almost anything if you wanted to, and skip the data you wanted (Like the increase of smoking etc.)
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by flyUnityThat's right, the world health organisation fabricated it all. Now you just have to prove that.
Cancer rates are up everywhere, that is not a valid argument.
You could almost type anything with cancer, and find results, Do a google search of soda with cancer, and see what you get.
you can get data for almost anything if you wanted to, and skip the data you wanted (Like the increase of smoking etc.)
Also, I don't believe that the cancer rate is up everywhere - and certainly not for all cancers. Maybe you'd like to look this one up.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesFrom a WHO report on the use of DU in Kosovo.
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/03/13/nathan.htm
"Ethnic Serbs seemed to be of the opposite opinion; health staff in the north of Mitrovica/Mitrovicë region were of the opinion that they are seeing increasing numbers of cases of cancer and congenital malformations. A non-governmental organization (NGO) working with the Serb population voiced a similar concern. They believe that such increases are due to depleted uranium munitions used by NATO."
They also point out in their guidelines surrounding deployment of staff to areas where DU has been used, that staff suffering kidney imparement should not be deployed these areas, since the kidneys are essential in removing DU from the body. Whilst DU is not normally a problem in healthy adults, I would suggest that bioconcentration may occur in the breast milk of nursing mothers. This could well manifest in the increased incidences of childhood cancer, especially since the children are probably undernourised as a result of both hostilities and sanctions under Saddams control.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by sword4damoclesIn the wake of the 2003 attacks on Iraq, the anticipated rise in birth defects has begun, according to IRIN News. After analysing records from public hospitals around the country, researchers from Baghdad University have shown that the long-documented rise in deformities in the southern region of the country has spread to the capital, Baghdad.
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/03/13/nathan.htm
According to Dr Nawar Ali, at the University of Baghdad, who works in the newborn babies research department: “There have been 650 cases in total since August 2003 reported in government hospitals - that is a 20 percent increase from the previous regime. Private hospitals were not included in the study, so the number could be higher,” he said.
Dr Ali blamed the rise on polluted groundwater, contaminated with radiation from depleted uranium used in the two Gulf Wars. Other health professionals in Iraq share Ali’s opinion. “In my experiments we have found some cases where the mother or father were suffering from pollution from weapons used in the south and we believe that it is affecting newborn babies in the country,” said Dr Ibraheem al-Jabouri, a scientist at Baghdad University.
The type of deformities found in newborn babies are characterised by multiple fingers, unusually large heads, unilateral lips or no arms or legs. High levels of birth malformations have been reported from the southern region of Iraq since the mid-Nineties, but this is the first report of similar conditions spreading to the capital. Following the first Gulf War, Basra was particularly badly hit; now the phenomenon is moving north from Najaf to Baghdad.
Other contributory factors have been looked at. Dr Lamia’a Amran, a paediatrician at the Iraqi Red Crescent Society (IRCS) hospital in the capital, told IRIN that inter-marriages were also to blame and that some cases of deformed babies were from poor families in the southern region. “Most of the women who have deformed babies in our hospital are married to relatives and have no idea that a common blood factor can also cause such problems,” said Amran. The IRCS hospital sees at least four cases of deformities every week. During April, 15 cases were reported, according to the hospital spokesman, a number considered high for a short period of time.
However, Amran added that 60 percent of the cases were not related to blood factors, but due to other causes. She explained that after studying family history of couples with deformed babies, they concluded that radiation and pollution were the main causes of the deformity.
But most of the cases reported do not survive for more than a week, doctors said. Nearly 90 percent of such cases at the Central Teaching Hospital for Paediatrics in Baghdad do not survive, according to Wathiq Ibrahim, director of the hospital.
Fatima Hussein, a 34-year-old patient at the hospital, told reporters: “My two children were born with deformities and today I had my third one with the same problem. The doctors say pollution is the cause and now my husband wants to divorce me claiming that I am not capable of bringing healthy children into the world,”
Health officials have asked the Iraqi Government to begin an urgent study into the problem.
from http://www.cadu.org.uk/info/iraq/21_1.htm
23 Jun 06
... and it's said that George Bush has personal financial interests in oil and military equipment.
He should be held accountable with a thorough, powerful, independent and public investigation.
The problem is that the majority of Americans don't care ... while innocent people continue to die ... leading to more terrorists.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by shavixmiryeah, i read that the other day. Really opened my eyes. We are scattering something in war zones that is going to last for thousands and thousands of years. I dont understand why. Where is the justification? So we have a "better" killing machine? Its crazy.
Paying the Price: Killing the Children of Iraq by John Pilger
Read the script or watch the film. And weep.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzYou point to "opinion", self stated in the article.
From a WHO report on the use of DU in Kosovo.
"Ethnic Serbs seemed to be of the opposite opinion; health staff in the north of Mitrovica/Mitrovicë region were of the opinion that they are seeing increasing numbers of cases of cancer and congenital malformations. A non-governmental organization (NGO) working with the Serb population voiced a similar c ...[text shortened]... re probably undernourised as a result of both hostilities and sanctions under Saddams control.
Since when was the WHO anything ever than a POLITICAL entity first, the WHO can be correct on occasion but this is CRAP. Conveluted, Repetitive, And Political.
23 Jun 06
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Originally posted by Sambo69'bo, in one form or another, as one personality or another, you've been saying this for years. How about sharing with me what GWB's net worth was when he was elected to his first presidential term and what his net worth is now.
[b]... and it's said that George Bush has personal financial interests in oil and military equipment.