Massachusetts Ends Qualified Immunity for Police, Fire

@joe-shmo
You just keep believing that bullshyte. You as whitey cannot know the fear blacks feel just leaving their house due to racial targeting.

@sonhouse said
@joe-shmo
You just keep believing that bullshyte. You as whitey cannot know the fear blacks feel just leaving their house due to racial targeting.

@sonhouse said
@joe-shmo
You just keep believing that bullshyte. You as whitey cannot know the fear blacks feel just leaving their house due to racial targeting.

@joe-shmo said
Sonhouse...in 2018 police killed 209 Black people. The people that the police are attempting to protect the black public from ( predominatly black gang members ) killed conservatively between 2000-2300 Black people in the same year.

in short ... you don't know what you are talking about.

@dood111 said
Wow only 2000-2300 black on black murders that year, that's actually quite low. There have been years where it was 5000+, I think the high water mark was 8000 one year.
Blacks have far more to fear from each other than they do cops......or whites for that matter, but to hear them tell it they are in constant fear of police and evil white racists..

@joe-shmo said
There were 2600 Black on Black in 2018. I was estimating the portion of that tied to gang violence as between 2000 - 2300.

"Blacks have far more to fear from each other than they do cops......or whites for that matter, but to hear them tell it they are in constant fear of police and evil white racists.."

Yeah
Whites Killed 234 Blacks
Black Killed 514 Whites
Whites ...[text shortened]... //ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

@dood111 said
The term homicide can be misleading, it doesn't necessarily mean murder. How many of those blacks killed by whites was a case of self defense I wonder?
And how many of the black on white homicides was an out an out case of murder?

Lets say the goal of Black Lives Matter was to significantly save Black Lives by reducing Homicide. You organize the reasons Black people die on a list called a Pareto Chart. You will find that Police related homicide represents 7% of of Black Homicide. You will find that gang related homicide represents 70% of all Black homicides. The Pareto technique suggests its most economical by far to go after the cause of the 70% of the homicides as opposed to 7%. You go after low hanging fruit first on the premise that if you can effect a certain percentage of change in each category, you will effect the largest absolute change in the largest category. Its is only after you have minimized the largest category do you then proceed to the next largest category and repeat the process. Its a tried and true problem solving technique that is being completely ignored.

Or perhaps it is the case that what we are seeing is already the minimization of the largest category. Wikipedia say this principle was used to justify "stop and frisk". However, surely a relative Black:White homicide rate of 7 for Black homicde can be further improved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

I can see why there should be some amount of reform to how we are doing things but I would emphasize to people that being a cop means that you will engage in loads of situations you normally never would, and there really needs to be leeway for people who do this.

What person, in their right mind, would sign up to such a job in the current environment?

@philokalia said
I can see why there should be some amount of reform to how we are doing things but I would emphasize to people that being a cop means that you will engage in loads of situations you normally never would, and there really needs to be leeway for people who do this.

What person, in their right mind, would sign up to such a job in the current environment?

The racism drooling forth in this thread is precisely the reason why this Forum was shut down in the first place. The usual suspects have learned nothing.

And, of course, not a single one of them have the foggiest notion of what "Qualified Immunity" means or the intellectual curiosity to find out. Instead we have another race baiting, black bashing thread which I guess RHP wants to be famous for.

@joe-shmo said
I'm fine with the idea too, so long as it doesn't backfire. Its just that as an engineer think its a fools errand based on the inherent lack of potential for gross change in Black homicide from its improvement. If you could make the system absolutely perfect ( which you won't even come near to doing ) the most lost black lives you can recover is 7%.

@joe-shmo said
I suspect one of those "cycle" things kevcvs57 was talking about is going to happen...

1) In the near future more cops in "dangerous situations" will hesitate and be murdered.
2) None of it will be heard in the media
3) Enrollment Law Enforcement will dwindle
4) Criminal activity will grow
5) Urban poverty increases
6) More black people die
7) Urban poverty increases
8) More black people die
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@no1marauder said
Crime has declined in the US by almost 50% in three decades, Mr. Engineer.

@jimmac said
No 3 may if fact be 3) Recruitment standards will drop.
resulting in more of No 8