14 May 21
@kmax87 saidThats an act of God. If it happens the Palestinians and supporters would claim that it was Israel and their iron dome that diverted the rocket. When the dust settles, Israel would rebuild Solomons Temple, as the prophets foretold. What Christian Evangelicals want or dont want is irrelevant,
There are a lot of American Evangelicals who would love to see a third Temple built in Jerusalem. I wonder what would happen if a Hamas rocket or two, accidentally took out the Al-Aqsa Mosque by mistake?
@rajk999 saidI am 99% sure that 51-49 is about right. Yes. view these maps to see
Yes, thanks. This piece of information is what im after :
Anyway, when the smoke cleared, Israel had owned/captured about half the land, and after the partition, they had about 51% of the land and the Palestinians got the 49%. (roughly)..
Do you have some confirmation that this is correct?
Certainly the Jews are wrong on the right of return issue and the international community can take blame for nor forcing them to comply.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=map+partition+of+palestine&id=430DC0E3BD4DD1E31951584474004272250BC1DB&form=IQFRBA&first=1&disoverlay=1
Well, the neighbors sure tried and failed. The war of independence, 1948, saw the Jews (not yet Israelis)
in Palestine hold back the armies of Egypt, Jordan, and Iraq. (can't recall about Syria).
I think the UN could have cared less, personally.
But if the Palestinians were allowed back in, they would find their homes occupied. that's right.
700,000 Jews left England after world war II and were brought to Palestine. They need housing.
this ethnic cleansing by the Jews took care of that problem.
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14 May 21
@kmax87 saidplease explain what would be wrong with that?
There are a lot of American Evangelicals who would love to see a third Temple built in Jerusalem. I wonder what would happen if a Hamas rocket or two, accidentally took out the Al-Aqsa Mosque by mistake?
I would just like to have a word here with my conservative allies in RHP debates...
Are you people really "law and order" people as you proclaim?
The Israelis have been insistent on disobeying two UN resolutions to get out of the occupied lands.
Can you recall what happened to Iraq for disobeying such orders to get out of Kuwait? I sure do.
The way some conserves think here with Israel , that we should have congratulated Saddam Hussein for his sterling victory.
Get with it, conserves. Hypocrisy need not apply here. OBEY THE LAW
14 May 21
@earl-of-trumps saidOk. Got it. Im with you on the unfair treatment of the indigenous Palestinians. Its wrong and need to be addressed if the Jews want peace. Not sure they care for that though.
I am 99% sure that 51-49 is about right. Yes. view these maps to see
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=map+partition+of+palestine&id=430DC0E3BD4DD1E31951584474004272250BC1DB&form=IQFRBA&first=1&disoverlay=1
Well, the neighbors sure tried and failed. The war of independence, 1948, saw the Jews (not yet Israelis)
in Palestine hold back the armies of Egypt, Jo ...[text shortened]... ught to Palestine. They need housing.
this ethnic cleansing by the Jews took care of that problem.
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@earl-of-trumps saidIn 1948, the British who was the Imperial owner [for want of a better term] of the Levant area, transferred power to the Jews. This was sanctioned by the UN or League of Nations. The Jews were the new owners of the land [the major part], and formed the government. Instead the War of Independence broke out. The Palestinians and several surrounding nations joined in support to kill the Jews.
I would just like to have a word here with my conservative allies in RHP debates...
Are you people really "law and order" people as you proclaim?
The Israelis have been insistent on disobeying two UN resolutions to get out of the occupied lands.
Can you recall what happened to Iraq for disobeying such orders to get out of Kuwait? I sure do.
The way some conser ...[text shortened]... ein for his sterling victory.
Get with it, conserves. Hypocrisy need not apply here. OBEY THE LAW
So were the Palestinians then OBEYING THE LAW?
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14 May 21
@earl-of-trumps saidjust to cut to the chase here...it is not Israel vs palestinians or hamas. It is Israel vs iran via hamas.
I would just like to have a word here with my conservative allies in RHP debates...
Are you people really "law and order" people as you proclaim?
The Israelis have been insistent on disobeying two UN resolutions to get out of the occupied lands.
Can you recall what happened to Iraq for disobeying such orders to get out of Kuwait? I sure do.
The way some conser ...[text shortened]... ein for his sterling victory.
Get with it, conserves. Hypocrisy need not apply here. OBEY THE LAW
The first rocket was launched by hamas behind the shield of innocent palestinians.
Everything was going just fine, countries signing peace agreements, until biden funded iran again.
The main agressor here is iran, but they get a pass. John kerry over there stabbing Trump in the back telling iran to wait, when dems get in power again the money will flow.
You are directing the blame on the wrong ones.
Israel will never be defeated, you can bet on that.
14 May 21
@rajk999 saidOk.
Ok. Got it. Im with you on the unfair treatment of the indigenous Palestinians. Its wrong and need to be addressed if the Jews want peace. Not sure they care for that though.
Now, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but I think if Israel and the Palestinians settle their differences,
there still is a matter of revenge that many many people in the ME feel, not just Palestinians.
Israel will always have that hanging over their head going forward, no matter what. It must be tough when you
are a tiny nation and despised by all of your neighbors. And if the US ever stops supporting Israel, it's curtains for them.
@rajk999 saidThat is not true.
In 1948, the British who was the Imperial owner [for want of a better term] of the Levant area, transferred power to the Jews. This was sanctioned by the UN or League of Nations. The Jews were the new owners of the land [the major part], and formed the government. Instead the War of Independence broke out. The Palestinians and several surrounding nations joined in support to kill the Jews.
So were the Palestinians then OBEYING THE LAW?
When the British gave up the mandate, it went to Egypt in Gaza and Jordan in West Bank.
Nobody put the Jews/Israelis in charge, except themselves. And yes, a mandated Palestine still exists
and it does not have the UN's blessings to have Israel to be in charge. THat is why the UN wants them OUT of the occupied lands
@mott-the-hoople saidOh, so Iran is very evil because they support Palestine's defense? That's a hoot. 😉
just to cut to the chase here...it is not Israel vs palestinians or hamas. It is Israel vs iran via hamas.
The first rocket was launched by hamas behind the shield of innocent palestinians.
Everything was going just fine, countries signing peace agreements, until biden funded iran again.
The main agressor here is iran, but they get a pass. John kerry over the ...[text shortened]... ou are directing the blame on the wrong ones.
Israel will never be defeated, you can bet on that.
This is like you telling me that the USA was evil because they defended Kuwait from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
good luck convincing me.
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@earl-of-trumps saidpalestinian “defense”...I will ask you again, who fired the first rocket?
Oh, so Iran is very evil because they support Palestine's defense? That's a hoot. 😉
This is like you telling me that the USA was evil because they defended Kuwait from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
good luck convincing me.
WGAF about convincing you of anything?
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@earl-of-trumps saidActually I dont think that the Jews care about any of that. The US will never stop supporting Israel. The Jewish lobby in the US is very powerful. That is not going to change. Jews are powerful people wherever they are.
Ok.
Now, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but I think if Israel and the Palestinians settle their differences,
there still is a matter of revenge that many many people in the ME feel, not just Palestinians.
Israel will always have that hanging over their head going forward, no matter what. It must be tough when you
are a tiny nation and despised by all of your neighbors. And if the US ever stops supporting Israel, it's curtains for them.
Personally, worrying about what your neigbours or friends think is a sign of weakness.
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@earl-of-trumps saidOk, there was a whole lot of to-ing and fro-ing before the UN got involved so lets take it from there. In 1947 the UN passed a resolution to separate the land into 3 separate states. One for the Jews, one for the Palestinians and Jerusalem to be controlled by an international body. So after that, WIKI says: :
That is not true.
When the British gave up the mandate, it went to Egypt in Gaza and Jordan in West Bank.
Nobody put the Jews/Israelis in charge, except themselves. And yes, a mandated Palestine still exists
and it does not have the UN's blessings to have Israel to be in charge. THat is why the UN wants them OUT of the occupied lands
The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,", glad to gain international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more. The representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and rejected its authority in the matter, arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs because of the population balance at that time. The Arabs rejected the partition, not because it was supposedly unfair, but because their leaders rejected any form of partition.
The Palestinians wanted NO PARTITION. They wanted all the land for themselves. War broke out immediately after with the Palestinians [with help from surrounding Arab nations], trying to eliminate the Jews totally from Palestine. The Palestinians wanted no form of partition. This is the reason for the entire conflict, and this sentiment has been restated over and over in different ways, by different people for the last 70 years. They want ALL JEWS DEAD OR OUT
So the question remains. Were the Palestinians doing what you said the Jews must do, and OBEY THE LAW?
15 May 21
@rajk999 saidI think you have to google the Stern gang (Lehi), the Irgun, etc.
Ok, there was a whole lot of to-ing and fro-ing before the UN got involved so lets take it from there. In 1947 the UN passed a resolution to separate the land into 3 separate states. One for the Jews, one for the Palestinians and Jerusalem to be controlled by an international body. So after that, WIKI says: :
[i]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the ind ...[text shortened]... the question remains. Were the Palestinians doing what you said the Jews must do, and OBEY THE LAW?
Then you’ll grasp a scope of what was happening.
Besides the fact that Israel took more land than they were given by the UN. Besides the fact that the land they were given was inhabited by Palestinians. Who they ethnically cleansed.
Like rolling barrels of oil on fire downhill towards their villages...