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Natural selection or Intelligent Design?

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shavixmir
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Right.
I am now going over to the spirituality forum to prove there is no God.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
Right.
I am now going over to the spirituality forum to prove there is no God.
Well my attempts were continuously foiled by the "deemed inappropriate" brigade...

Even after I removed all the cursus. I filed a letter of complaint.

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Here is a question for the Christians; Does intelligent design allow it to be designed by another god? Maybe Buddah or Allah or Yahweh? Or is only a Christian god intelligent enough to design a universe?

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Originally posted by CliffLandin
Here is a question for the Christians; Does intelligent design allow it to be designed by another god? Maybe Buddah or Allah or Yahweh? Or is only a Christian god intelligent enough to design a universe?
I recently read a quite biased book. It was called "Dinner witha Perfect Stranger". It supposedly tells you why there is no other God than the Christian god.

It was B.S. too.

(I'm afraid I am going to go to hell. Thank goodness; they have steak!)

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Originally posted by CliffLandin
Here is a question for the Christians; Does intelligent design allow it to be designed by another god? Maybe Buddah or Allah or Yahweh? Or is only a Christian god intelligent enough to design a universe?
Intelligent design dont identify the maker, it just shows the evidence, and conclusions why there has to be a designer. Im a creationist, and I dont know if I believe everything ID has to offer, but its a good learning experiance

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Originally posted by flyUnity
Intelligent design dont identify the maker, it just shows the evidence, and conclusions why there has to be a designer. Im a creationist, and I dont know if I believe everything ID has to offer, but its a good learning experiance
Your "evidence" is not conclusive because there is another possible scenario - evolution. Evolution is the prefered option because it can (and has) be (en) tested (repeatedly), is dependant only upon physical, chemical and biological processes that have been shown to exist, and requires no outside, supernatural force.

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
Your "evidence" is not conclusive because there is another possible scenario - evolution. Evolution is the prefered option because it can (and has) be (en) tested (repeatedly), is dependant only upon physical, chemical and biological processes that have been shown to exist, and requires no outside, supernatural force.
It looks like we went from the Spiritual forum to the debates forum lol.

Well I dont have much to say other then, I think that your "evidence" is false, and you think mine is. Like I said before, Its been 10 years since I studied ID and evolution in school, but I was greatly impressed at all the evidence ID offered, however your a scientist and probaly know allot more about evolution then me, and Im a creationist, and I dont think any debate will change our minds.

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ID is just creationism in different clothes and I for one think it is a great shame that people are still holding onto their out moded and out dated beliefs.

But while the status quo is so advantageous to so many I guess they always will.

And by the many I decry the Catholic Church, and all the many denominations of Christianity in America.

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Originally posted by flyUnity
It looks like we went from the Spiritual forum to the debates forum lol.

Well I dont have much to say other then, I think that your "evidence" is false, and you think mine is. Like I said before, Its been 10 years since I studied ID and evolution in school, but I was greatly impressed at all the evidence ID offered, however your a scientist and probaly ...[text shortened]... ut evolution then me, and Im a creationist, and I dont think any debate will change our minds.
Probably true. You ain;t gonna convince me, and I ain;t going to convince you. ID or creationism can be taught in a powerful and convincing way, even though they are (i believe) wrong. Evolution can likewise be taught well by a good teacher, and badly by a poor teacher, or one who wishes to discredit it.

I wish I'd know you 10 years ago (and of course I had my present level of intellect!) and we could have had some good debates - I think your mind would be different had that been the case!

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Originally posted by flyUnity
It looks like we went from the Spiritual forum to the debates forum lol.

Well I dont have much to say other then, I think that your "evidence" is false, and you think mine is. Like I said before, Its been 10 years since I studied ID and evolution in school, but I was greatly impressed at all the evidence ID offered, however your a scientist and probaly ...[text shortened]... ut evolution then me, and Im a creationist, and I dont think any debate will change our minds.
The difference is that your evidence is unprovable and you are unable to disprove it because that would mean a lack of faith. And a lack of faith would destroy your "theory". Without faith in the supernatural your "theory" doesn't exist. The Christian Scientist have as reasonable claim that men are really aliens. You see neither one of you has any proof or way of proving your non-theory. It requires everyone to believe what you say without any way to test it. I will repeat that part; It requires everyone to believe what you say without any way to test it.


And a 10,000 year old earth. Let's see some cold, hard facts for that one.

Can you post some of the evidence that you had that outwieghs the evidence of evolution. (You know, those every day things that evolution throws in your face, like the third molar (wisdom teeth) which everyone used to have and less and less people have today.)

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
...the theory of relativity, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt.
Yet may still turn out to be a load of rubbish.

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Originally posted by Bowmann
Yet may still turn out to be a load of rubbish.
Instead of being proven rubbish now like ID.

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Originally posted by CliffLandin
Instead of being proven rubbish now like ID.
have you really made 30,000 moves Cliff?? Impressive!

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Originally posted by CliffLandin
Instead of being proven rubbish now like ID.
There is only philosophy in the end.

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
have you really made 30,000 moves Cliff?? Impressive!
Too much time on my hands, but you notice I am still not very good. 🙂

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