02 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou really are very blinkered aren't you. Since you do seem to understand basic logic ill take that approach with you. Our consumption and usage of natural resources we unbalance the global status quo, when this occurs naturally the eco system balances it out. However what we do is one sided, using carbon as an example; we emit carbon by burning fuels, usually the natural systems will create more carbon sinks (rainforest), however we're also destroying these. This will obviously unbalance the environmental systems, the consequences of this may be unclear but you cannot possibly believe its a good thing? Are you really that irrational?
Like so-called "global warming," radical environmentalists, anti-Americans and those who are adverse to capitalism have oversold the idea of "peak oil":
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1e8508ae-004e-11dd-825a-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/OPINION02/803310307/1070
http://www.popularmec ...[text shortened]... com/science/earth/4254875.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4254875.html
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by PalynkaDo you realize how invested we are in oil? It's used for plastics, fertilizer, the transportation of
One of the good things of having a market for oil is that as oil becomes scarcer, the price will go up as long as the oil producing countries behave in a profit maximizing way. This creates progressive incentives for innovations that replace or reduce the inputs of oil and therefore allows for a likely smoother (not costless, note) transition.
So the scen ...[text shortened]... t would certainly change usage trends and, with almost certain probability, technology as well.
almost all the goods that are made, and so forth.
No one has ventured even a very conservative opinion about oil. One article cited says an
optimistic notion is 2030. Let's use that figure.
Does anyone really believe that within 22 years, oil will have a reasonable replacement (or
replacements)?
Yes, necessity is the mother of invention, no doubt. But what happens in the meantime? If
cars ceased to be economical for the 'average' citizen, how crippling do you think that this would
be?
If transportation costs went up, how much will goods go up? If petroleum-plastic products (a staple
of our society) became economically prohibitive, what could reasonably replace them?
We know oil is limited. Even if we had, say, 75 years, do you think that this would be
enough time to totally restructure the way in which we function as a society?
Nemesio
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by MexicoWhat am kuntry you from? Yo knot sense making.
You really are very blinkered aren't you. Since you do seem to understand basic logic ill take that approach with you. Our consumption and usage of natural resources we unbalance the global status quo, when this occurs naturally the eco system balances it out. However what we do is one sided, using carbon as an example; we emit carbon by burning fuels, usuall ...[text shortened]... y be unclear but you cannot possibly believe its a good thing? Are you really that irrational?
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSo how about you venture your opinion about when oil will run out rather than regurgitate other
Like so-called "global warming," radical environmentalists, anti-Americans and those who are adverse to capitalism have oversold the idea of "peak oil":
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1e8508ae-004e-11dd-825a-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/OPINION02/803310307/1070
http://www.popularmec ...[text shortened]... com/science/earth/4254875.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4254875.html
people's opinions, hmm?
When do you think the oil will run out?
Nemesio
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by NemesioI'm more optimistic than you so I don't care when and if the oil runs out. By that time, I'll have my compound completed.
So how about you venture your opinion about when oil will run out rather than regurgitate other
people's opinions, hmm?
When do you think the oil will run out?
Nemesio
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by NemesioPut your shirt back on Jethro. By the time the oil runs out, 30, 40, 50 or more years from now (if it runs out, which I'm not convinced that it will since I don't subscribe to the "peak oil" theory) we will have moved onto another source of energy or our ability to tap further into the earth's supplies of oil will be beyond what anyone can imagine today. Or, we will have become more energy efficient. Unfortunately, a much more probable scenario is that there will be plenty of oil, but it will be so highly taxed and regulated that only people with the last name of Gore, Bush or Clinton will be able to drive automobiles.
More jokes to disguise your complete lack of your own opinion.
02 Apr 08
Originally posted by NemesioYes, I know about the importance of oil in the economy. The adjustment needs to be done, so there are only two possibilities: will it be a progressive or an abrupt one.
Do you realize how invested we are in oil? It's used for plastics, fertilizer, the transportation of
almost all the goods that are made, and so forth.
No one has ventured even a very conservative opinion about oil. One article cited says an
optimistic notion is 2030. Let's use that figure.
Does anyone really believe that within 22 years, oil will ...[text shortened]... be
enough time to totally restructure the way in which we function as a society?
Nemesio
The meantime is already happening. Oil is going up and people are starting to wonder about the alternatives. Ethanol was virtually unknown until a few years ago. Electric cars are improving steadily. Plastics seem trickier to substitute, but their consumption is just a small percentage of total oil. Solar, wind and other renewables are all the rage nowadays with entrepreneurs going en masse into the sector.
The key thing is that I don't think this is a total restructure of the way we function as a society, but mainly a restructure of the industrial sector.
02 Apr 08
Love the theme. I've learned this as well: oil will not run out.It will just be too expensive to drill. More energy invested than gained.
History of cars is ony 100 years old, so think how nice was it before. I can think of nuclears plants, I cant imagine electricity being the driving energy. Imagine Audi e-car being the prestige one and diesel being old fashioned. It will come to this. Markets won't crash, they will adapt. We are also in era of informatics, so information is well spread. Governments have the magic wand: they can reduce tax on e-cars OR increase tax on gas..
Oil peak is here I believ. Chinese inrease their oil consumption as 1 mid size country per year, so I believe this will speed up the process. It's said burning all fossil fuel would overcook our planet many times, so global warming needs adaptation.
Personally, I'd love to get back to walk and horses. I just can't imagine having a mobile in my pocket while doing that. Ah, slow life should have been good.
02 Apr 08
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Originally posted by PalynkaCome on, there is no oil shortage. The price of oil has gone up largely due to speculators. In the 90's oil was 10 bux a barrell. Do you think all of a sudden the oil is gone?
Yes, I know about the importance of oil in the economy. The adjustment needs to be done, so there are only two possibilities: will it be a progressive or an abrupt one.
The meantime is already happening. Oil is going up and people are starting to wonder about the alternatives. Ethanol was virtually unknown until a few years ago. Electric cars are improvi ructure of the way we function as a society, but mainly a restructure of the industrial sector.
The only shortage we have is a "REFINING CAPACITY SHORTAGE" Oil companies haven't built enough refineries to be able to supply the finished product (gas) that comes from oil. When there is a problem at a refinery, like a shutdown or explosion, the price of gas goes up.
Build more refineries and the price of gas will come down like a lead weght in a swimming pool.
There's a reason why Exxon made a world record 40 Billion in profit last year.
For those of you who don't believe anything unless you read it on the internet...here ya go.
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03 Apr 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIt's gratifying, on this international web site, how relatively few of these kinds of (attempted) put-downs we see. How unsurprising, though, to find that it's the likes of der schwarze Ritter doing it - appealing, one assumes, to his bogle/thales/phildor constituency. And in this case there was nothing at all wrong with the post that he was trying to put-down, which shows der schwarze Ritter up for the snide, unimaginative presence that he is.
What am kuntry you from? Yo knot sense making.