Originally posted by no1marauderMaraudian BS.
What a surprise that you would pretend that it wasn't suggesting that the Palestinians are exaggerating their suffering under the Israelis. You're perfectly predictable.
My original response remains valid; the fact that all the events in Schindler's List weren't completely true and some were fictionalized does not mean that the basic story isn't true. The same logic applies to the Palestinians and the events of the recent past.
Originally posted by no1marauderOne is an excellent film, based on true events, with characters that everyone knows they're actors and that doesn't claim to be more than it is: a film, not even a documentary. The film intends to create sympathy for the Jewish people without attempting to demonize the Germans.
I'd wait for an actual reason for such a claim, but from you I'll wait forever. The two situations are analogous.
The other films are attempting to sell fiction for fact, with characters that are claimed to be real people, in filming events that never happened so they can be claimed as reality. These films intends to create sympathy for Palestinians by demonizing Israelis.
It's just one-sided view to attempt to excuse these films any much as it is one-sided excuse Fox News for their biased news reports.
Originally posted by PalynkaGee, Schindler's List didn't "demonize" Germans in the same way re-enactments of events concerning the Occupation does! Who knew?
One is an excellent film, based on true events, with characters that everyone knows they're actors and that doesn't claim to be more than it is: a film, not even a documentary. The film intends to create sympathy for the Jewish people without attempting to demonize the Germans.
The other films are attempting to sell fiction for fact, with characters that ...[text shortened]... excuse these films any much as it is one-sided excuse Fox News for their biased news reports.
Do you seriously believe that?
Originally posted by PalynkaYes. Is your IQ higher than a turnip? The Palestinian news stories "demonize" Israelis in the same way that Schindler's List "demonizes" Germans i.e. it says that some of each group in certain positions of authority are responsible for atrocities.
Even Schindler is...German. Note that I didn't say Nazis but Germans.
Any more questions?
Originally posted by no1marauderNo, my IQ isn't higher than a turnip. I can see your usual strawman, though.
Yes. Is your IQ higher than a turnip? The Palestinian news stories "demonize" Israelis in the same way that Schindler's List "demonizes" Germans i.e. it says that some of each group in certain positions of authority are responsible for atrocities.
Telling a story of hope amid atrocity based on true events is different from merely showing fake atrocities portraying as true events. One shows that on all sides there are good people no matter how gruely the authorities, the other just shows fake random images of suffering.
Are you doing the IQ limbo?
Originally posted by PalynkaI said they were "analogous" not that they weren't "different". Two things that are precisely the same aren't "analogous"; they're "the same". Whatever your opinion of the artistic merit of the two works of quasi-fiction is irrelevant to my claim, which was:
No, my IQ isn't higher than a turnip. I can see your usual strawman, though.
Telling a story of hope amid atrocity based on true events is different from merely showing fake atrocities portraying as true events. One shows that on all sides there are good people no matter how gruely the authorities, the other just shows fake random images of suffering.
Are you doing the IQ limbo?
My original response remains valid; the fact that all the events in Schindler's List weren't completely true and some were fictionalized does not mean that the basic story isn't true. The same logic applies to the Palestinians and the events of the recent past.
Care to actually tackle that claim rather than some claim I didn't make?
Originally posted by Rajk999Israeli incursions vs Palestinian terrorism
You figure out the difference yourself.
Your post is the first in this thread that can be interpreted as grovelling. Most unbiased observers of the conflict will conclude that there is wrong-doing on both sides of the fence. But when confronted with possible evidence of blatant manipulation the media with concocted news clips, only a diehard supporter like you will make a comment like that.
This in itself is blatant manipulation.
Originally posted by no1marauderThey could have had their own state years ago had they agreed to share Palestine with the Israelis, who have just as good a claim to a share of its territory.
Please do.
I wish that I could "jump to the rescue of the Palestinians"; they'd have their own State and wouldn't be oppressed by people you grovel to.
Originally posted by no1marauderInteresting that you chose to accept the differences I wrote.
I said they were "analogous" not that they weren't "different". Two things that are precisely the same aren't "analogous"; they're "the same". Whatever your opinion of the artistic merit of the two works of quasi-fiction is irrelevant to my claim, which was:
My original response remains valid; the fact that all the events in Schindler's List weren't c ...[text shortened]...
Care to actually tackle that claim rather than some claim I didn't make?
Those differences are, however, enormous. In both content, intent and message. That renders your analogy pathetic.
Care to actually tackle my claims rather than a strawman of them?
Originally posted by PalynkaOskar Schildren was born on 28th April 1908 in Zwittau-Brinnlitz, Austria-Hungary (now Svitavy, Bohemia, in the Czech Republic
Even Schindler is...German. Note that I didn't say Nazis but Germans.
Any more questions?
see:
http://www.oskar-schindler-os.cidsnet.de/schindler.htm and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler