21 Jul 06
Originally posted by Delmer1. The common people are misled to believe they are under attack or, if actually under attack, one must ask what your part is in it. I believe that groups of terrorists do have a point and become frustrated when overpowered.
Okay, that sort of serves as a simplistic answer to my first question. Though it ignores the fact that the "common" people might very well be under attack and might very well want war.
But what about:
2. Why do you think we have periods of peace? What causes peace?
3. Are war and peace two distinct and independent states? Or is one simply the absence of the other?
2. Education, negotiation, humilitiy, compromise, acceptance.
3. I define peace to be the absence of physical or other violence. You may define war to be physical violence with qualifications regarding what is considered an "act of war". In this case, one isn't simply the absence of the other.
21 Jul 06
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It is amazingly easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys in any war. Do the following thought experiment. Take ALL weapons away from one side. In your mind. Not even a stick left to whack with. Leave ALL weapons in the hands of the opposite side.
Now, in your mind, reverse the experiment. Give side 1 the weapons and take them from side 2.
Now, using a bit of honest evaluation... ask yourself "Which side, when disarmed gets butchered? Which side ends the war in a just fashion?"
Example: Assume that Israel has not even a stick. How many days until the last jew is dead? Reverse it. The beheaders have not even a stick. Are the innocent women and children going to be beheaded and slaughtered?
This is a really easy test if you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you. Which I realize eliminates 94.5% on rhp.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWyExcellent, SVW.
It is amazingly easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys in any war. Do the following thought experiment. Take ALL weapons away from one side. In your mind. Not even a stick left to whack with. Leave ALL weapons in the hands of the opposite side.
Now, in your mind, reverse the experiment. Give side 1 the weapons and take them from side 2.
Now, ...[text shortened]... if you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you. Which I realize eliminates 94.5% on rhp.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by Sambo69If you are educated, humble, willing to compromise, accepting and willing to negotiate and I am not, will we have peace between us?
1. The common people are misled to believe they are under attack or, if actually under attack, one must ask what your part is in it. I believe that groups of terrorists do have a point and become frustrated when overpowered.
2. Education, negotiation, humilitiy, compromise, acceptance.
3. I define peace to be the absence of physical or other violence. ...[text shortened]... what is considered an "act of war". In this case, one isn't simply the absence of the other.
21 Jul 06
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyThis test is quite ridiculous. What would happen if both sides would use the weapons to eliminate the dis-armed side? I'm pretty sure both Israel and the "be-headers" would butcher the other side if they were given half a chance (as being shown by Israel at the moment and as was shown by America invading a defenceless Iraq).
It is amazingly easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys in any war. Do the following thought experiment. Take ALL weapons away from one side. In your mind. Not even a stick left to whack with. Leave ALL weapons in the hands of the opposite side.
Now, in your mind, reverse the experiment. Give side 1 the weapons and take them from side 2.
Now, if you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you. Which I realize eliminates 94.5% on rhp.
We live in a real world you know.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by EsotericYes .. we do.
This test is quite ridiculous. What would happen if both sides would use the weapons to eliminate the dis-armed side? I'm pretty sure both Israel and the "be-headers" would butcher the other side if they were given half a chance (as being shown by Israel at the moment and as was shown by America invading a defenceless Iraq).
We live in a real world you know.
.. and in the "real world" a battle rages between good and evil. We are all required to make a choice .. take a side. The secular denial of evil .. the head in the sand approach is the path to disaster
Denial of responsibilty is a choice too. It's usually reserved for the French but seems to have spread throughout western Europe sans GB.
There is no moral eqivalance here, try as you may to produce it.
The choice is clear .. and your choice is clearly wrong.
21 Jul 06
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Originally posted by jammerI bet that is the exact same line of thought both Israel and Hezbollah have.
There is no moral eqivalance here, try as you may to produce it.
The choice is clear .. and your choice is clearly wrong.
Your one simple statement illustrates the exact reason why wars start and so much blood is shed in this world.
"I am right, and you are wrong". What a disappointing, simplistic and archaic way to think.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by EsotericIt's not "i'm right and you're wrong." stupid .. it's Israel is right (good) and Hezbollah is wrong (evil)
I bet that is the exact same line of thought both Israel and Hezbollah have.
Your one simple statement illustrates the exact reason why wars start and so much blood is shed in this world.
"I am right, and you are wrong". What a disappointing, simplistic and archaic way to think.
You're problem is that you want to deny that one side is good and one is evil. You're able (through higher education probably) to find a moral equivalence between the two.
You have no moral compass.
You have no manhood.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWyBut this ignores what preceded the war. For example, America has meddled in the affairs of other countries, often with violent consequences. If America were to be fully disarmed, I wouldn't be surprised if it were butchered. Violence leads to violence.
It is amazingly easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys in any war. Do the following thought experiment. Take ALL weapons away from one side. In your mind. Not even a stick left to whack with. Leave ALL weapons in the hands of the opposite side.
Now, in your mind, reverse the experiment. Give side 1 the weapons and take them from side 2.
Now, ...[text shortened]... if you have an ounce of intellectual honesty in you. Which I realize eliminates 94.5% on rhp.
21 Jul 06
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Originally posted by jammerAre you a Mormon? Do you like forcing your opinion on people? Maybe you should look into a bit of history behind Israel and their violations of human rights in the past. Just like Hezbollah.
It's not "i'm right and you're wrong." stupid .. it's Israel is right (good) and Hezbollah is wrong (evil)
You're problem is that you want to deny that one side is good and one is evil. You're able (through higher education probably) to find a moral equivalence between the two.
You have no moral compass.
You have no manhood.
Israel has killed over 350 civilians (so far) and displaced over 1 million people. They have yet to have had any major impact on Hezbollah or have yet to capture any people directly responsible for the kidnappings. Do you think this is morally justified? Is this the token signs of "good"?
You are just a dinosaur of the human race, an example of the reason pointless wars are waged, an outdated way of thinking. A burden on our generation. Aggression is good, but you need to have brains as well.
21 Jul 06
Originally posted by EsotericAnd balls too,
Are you a Mormon? Do you like forcing your opinion on people? Maybe you should look into a bit of history behind Israel and their violations of human rights in the past. Just like Hezbollah.
Israel has killed over 350 civilians (so far) and displaced over 1 million people. They have yet to have had any major impact on Hezbollah or have yet to capture an ...[text shortened]... thinking. A burden on our generation. Aggression is good, but you need to have brains as well.
Are you a Liberal Arts Major? .. no, i'm not a Mormon, don't follow any organized religion at all.
I am indeed "A burden on your generation" and happy to be called so .. thank you.
"Your" generation is pretty soft IMO, limp, flacid and quite impotent.
Brains are good .. but you need balls to survive in this world.
Or have friends with balls anyway.
Maybe you should look beyond Israel in your quest for historic knowledge. It starts with a war and continues 'til the present.
If someone hadn't fought a war you wouldn't be sitting safe and smug right now. That's why I said you lack manhood. You stand for nothing, and when you don't stand for something you'll fall for almost anything.