21 May 21
@shavixmir - said
Hence: no, Jews and Palestinians have no exclusive right to live in Palestine / Israel.
The real question is, do the Jews or Palestinians have the right to make Belgium their "home"? - or France, Andorra, or any other country?
You may want to open your doors and welcome them in, but sometimes, the new immigrants want to throw YOU out. then what?
The Palestinians never threw Jews out of Palestine. Too bad they didn't shut their doors.
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You're obviously ignorant of Zionism's religious roots, and falsely deny it's continued religious influence.
The most recent wave of violence started with a fight over a mosque; yet Duchess thinks religion has nothing to do with Israeli-Palestinian conflict. After the endless battles of control over holy sites, this is obvious to everyone except, of course, Duchess.
21 May 21
@earl-of-trumps saidI think you mistaken here. The land of Palestine was never owned by what people now call Palestinians. The land was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, Egypt and the British Empire. You can call these countries the owners if you like So these Palestinians did not open any doors for the Jews. That statement is untrue.
@shavixmir - said
Hence: no, Jews and Palestinians have no exclusive right to live in Palestine / Israel.
The real question is, do the Jews or Palestinians have the right to make Belgium their "home"? - or France, Andorra, or any other country?
You may want to open your doors and welcome them in, but sometimes, the new immigrants want to throw YOU out. t ...[text shortened]... n what?
The Palestinians never threw Jews out of Palestine. Too bad they didn't shut their doors.
In those days people from anywhere could have come in and settle in this land, as long as the government at the time had not problem with immigration. The last owner was the British Empire and they partitioned the land and left. It is because the Palestinians wanted ALL, they wanted NO JEWS, they thought the land was THEIRS, they decided to reject any partition. Fighting started and they lost. They have been losing ever since.
So the Jews do have a right to Palestine given to them by the last owner the British Empire.
21 May 21
@rajk999 saidLand is not owned, land is lived upon.
I think you mistaken here. The land of Palestine was never owned by what people now call Palestinians. The land was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, Egypt and the British Empire. You can call these countries the owners if you like So these Palestinians did not open any doors for the Jews. That statement is untrue.
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So the Jews do have a right to Palestine given to them by the last owner the British Empire.
21 May 21
@shavixmir saidWell, it may be that simple in some cases. But sometimes living upon land without owning it is called squatting, and often creates a legal mess. The idea of just living on land without purchasing or having a title deed is a middle-ages concept. Since around the mid 1800s most countries started some kind of land registration and a deed of ownership was issued. It is the correct thing to do to avoid conflict.
Land is not owned, land is lived upon.
@rajk999 saidYeah a lot of people who had been ‘squatting’ on land for centuries got thrown off the land by warlords who then created their own title deeds for the land.
Well, it may be that simple in some cases. But sometimes living upon land without owning it is called squatting, and often creates a legal mess. The idea of just living on land without purchasing or having a title deed is a middle-ages concept. Since around the mid 1800s most countries started some kind of land registration and a deed of ownership was issued. It is the correct thing to do to avoid conflict.
Might does not make right in any morality based system.
21 May 21
@shavixmir saidWe prob all recognize that after all these hundreds of years, that there is no end in sight. It will never end. Does anyone think otherwise?
I suggestyou start reading the Socialist Worker (UK) and watching DDN on youtube (independent reporting by the likes of Montbiot).
None of the Westernes here?
I’ve lived in bloody Israel. I don’t start a thread called “My poor Jerusalem” because of a love of the Israeli nation’s apartheid tactics.
I’ve explained my serious opinion on the matter hundreds of times on t ...[text shortened]... edom as she wants.
I don’t actually see anything else ending the violence or solving the problem.
21 May 21
@kevcvs57 saidOf course that was the life-style then. Now that is not going to work and it would appear that this is what the Palestinians want the Jews to accept.
Yeah a lot of people who had been ‘squatting’ on land for centuries got thrown off the land by warlords who then created their own title deeds for the land.
Might does not make right in any morality based system.
@vivify saidZionism is based in ethnic nationalism. Religion is incidental.
No, it is both political and religious.
Do you believe Zionism is a factor in Israeli-Palestinian relations? If so, you agree that religion is a significant part, since Zionism can be traced back to early Jewish religious beliefs.
21 May 21
@athousandyoung saidOkay. Is it your view that religion is minor factor in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
Zionism is based in ethnic nationalism. Religion is incidental.
21 May 21
@vivify saidYes.
Okay. Is it your view that religion is minor factor in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
@athousandyoung saidFinal question: the conflict at the mosque which escalated the violence, do you believe religion was a factor or was really just used as an excuse for Hamas to attack?
Yes.