30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidAccording to your sources, the 1968 epidemic caused an estimated 100,000 deaths in the US and the 1957 one 69,800.
428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
Now let's calculate how many deaths were caused by the lockdowns. How many suicides increased in 2020 compared to 2019?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/1957-influenza-pandemic-asian-flu
The stats just don't support your outlandish claim that COVID was no worse than a bad flu year.
30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidLMAO!
"The first, Potter says that 20% add-on from the CARES Act is only for services provided, not deaths."
This.
Who taught you to read?
There was a 20% increase in Medicare reimbursements for COVID treatment passed by the Congress. That has nothing to do with how deaths were recorded on death certificates.
30 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidWe are not done yet. You said this:
According to your sources, the 1968 epidemic caused an estimated 100,000 deaths in the US and the 1957 one 69,800.
The stats just don't support your outlandish claim that COVID was no worse than a bad flu year.
"There were 360,766 confirmed deaths from COVID in the US in 2020."
I will show you that is not a realistic number if you continue to answer my questions. How many suicide deaths increased in 2020 compared to 2019?
@no1marauder saidYou didn't say Medicare reimbursements the first time. Nobody taught me to read minds. What does Medicare have to do with what we were talking about? We were talking about counting C19 deaths. Are you disputing that hospitals get paid more for C19 deaths under their care?
LMAO!
Who taught you to read?
There was a 20% increase in Medicare reimbursements for COVID treatment passed by the Congress. That has nothing to do with how deaths were recorded on death certificates.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/hospitals-getting-paid-more-label-cause-death-coronavirus/5709720
30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidI'm not going play 100 questions with you. I know of no evidence of any increase in suicides from 2019 to 2020. There were 47,500 suicides in 2019 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008a1.htm); so any increase would be trivial statistically compared to confirmed COVID deaths.
We are not done yet. You said this:
"There were 360,766 confirmed deaths from COVID in the US in 2020."
I will show you that is not a realistic number if you continue to answer my questions. How many suicide deaths increased in 2020 compared to 2019?
@metal-brain saidYes and if you had bothered to read my post and the link I provided you'd know they weren't. Even your idiotic link, despite its title, doesn't support such a wild claim.
You didn't say Medicare reimbursements the first time. Nobody taught me to read minds. What does Medicare have to do with what we were talking about? We were talking about counting C19 deaths. Are you disputing that hospitals get paid more for C19 deaths under their care?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/hospitals-getting-paid-more-label-cause-death-coronavirus/5709720
30 Mar 21
@no1marauder said428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
I'm not going play 100 questions with you. I know of no evidence of any increase in suicides from 2019 to 2020. There were 47,500 suicides in 2019 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008a1.htm); so any increase would be trivial statistically compared to confirmed COVID deaths.
Does 67,460 non C19 deaths for the year 2020 seem realistic to you? This is before increased suicides and drug/alcohol overdoses are deducted from that because of the lockdowns.
You know non C19 deaths could not possibly decrease from 360,766 in 2019 to less than 67,460 in 2020.
360,766 - 67,460 = 293,306
Your C19 death count is off by at least 293,306
30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidAre you illiterate? 428,226 was an approximate figure for increased deaths from 2019 to 2020, not one for total deaths. There were 2,854,000 total deaths in 2019, the CDC has estimated a 15% increase in 2020, so that would add up to about 3,282,000 total deaths in 2020.
428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
Does 67,460 non C19 deaths for the year 2020 seem realistic to you? This is before increased suicides and drug/alcohol overdoses are deducted from that because of the lockdowns.
You know non C19 deaths could not possibly decrease from 360,766 in 2019 to less than 67,460 in 2020.
360,766 - 67,460 = 293,306
Your C19 death count is off by at least 293,306
Actually, I think non-COVID deaths may have decreased from 2019 to 2020; people weren't driving as much, many weren't working so accidents probably down, etc. etc. But we won't know for sure until the CDC verifies final numbers and publishes them in the Morbidity and Mortality report.
30 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidOkay.
Are you illiterate? 428,226 was an approximate figure for increased deaths from 2019 to 2020, not one for total deaths. There were 2,854,000 total deaths in 2019, the CDC has estimated a 15% increase in 2020, so that would add up to about 3,282,000 total deaths in 2020.
Actually, I think non-COVID deaths may have decreased from 2019 to 2020; people weren't drivi ...[text shortened]... sure until the CDC verifies final numbers and publishes them in the Morbidity and Mortality report.
428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
There were 67,460 non covid deaths of that increase? That contradicts your thinking non-COVID deaths may have decreased. They increased by 67,460 according to your own data, right?
30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidNot really if you had read my posts regarding the probable mislabeling of pneumonia deaths. I suspect most of the unexplained 120,000 increase of reported deaths from that disease compared to recent years was misdiagnosed COVID deaths. Thus, it is possible, even likely IMO, that there were more than 428,000 COVID deaths in 2020 meaning deaths from other causes may well have decreased.
Okay.
428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
There were 67,460 non covid deaths of that increase? That contradicts your thinking non-COVID deaths may have decreased. They increased by 67,460 according to your own data, right?
@no1marauder saidYes it does.
Yes and if you had bothered to read my post and the link I provided you'd know they weren't. Even your idiotic link, despite its title, doesn't support such a wild claim.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-director-acknowledges-hospitals-have-a-monetary-incentive-to-overcount-coronavirus-deaths
You got fooled by fake fact checkers in your search for confirmation bias.
a 60-year-old man who died from a gunshot wound to the head was counted as a C19 death.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/investigation-finds-several-deaths-in-florida-county-wrongly-attributed-to-coronavirus
30 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidYou need to adjust for population growth as well. For example, if the US population doubled since then double the number.
According to your sources, the 1968 epidemic caused an estimated 100,000 deaths in the US and the 1957 one 69,800.
The stats just don't support your outlandish claim that COVID was no worse than a bad flu year.
You are also misquoting me. I said "not much more deaths than a bad flu year". I never said "no worse" and you know it.
30 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidThere's been many more deaths in the US from COVID during this outbreak than any flu outbreak in more than a hundred years.
You need to adjust for population growth as well. For example, if the US population doubled since then double the number.
You are also misquoting me. I said "not much more deaths than a bad flu year". I never said "no worse" and you know it.