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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Of course, Plato would have had Burroughs expelled from the Republic for being a poet.
This seems close to saying that the Politeia is about an ideal state. Really it's not.

So difficult to read Plato nowadays... so many "interpretations" and theories of "Platonism".

Anyway... remember one thing and it will serve you well. Socrates is engaged in a battle over what it means to speak well. He's still, ironically, a sophist too.... not afraid of engaging in dirty tricks in order to tease forth ways ...structures..lenses which might coax lightning to strike the soul. But the careful reader will always see his hints here.

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
Maybe you can suggest a list of key questions/aspects that readers can focus on - to guide the reading.
No, just read it slowly, and if anything confuses you make a note of it. I don't presume to know what you will find interesting or worthwhile in the dialogue. Then, tomorrow, we can start from the beginning.

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This sounds interesting. I have read some Plato (some in German, some in Greek), but I don't think I have read this one. I didn't have time to look into it today, so I may not be able to catch up with you, but I'll try.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Ready!
Me too.

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Originally posted by Starrman
Me too.
I have come as far as locating the text (original and English translation by Benjamin Jowett) on the internet. 😳 I am far too tired to get much out of it this evening, I'll probably go to bed soon and read the text and your discussion tomorrow.

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I'm not discussing it tonight, thanks!

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The lord whose oracle is in Delphi neither declares nor conceals, but gives a sign.

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Originally posted by XHerakleitos
The lord whose oracle is in Delphi neither declares nor conceals, but gives a sign.
Bbarr should be along any moment now.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Bbarr should be along any moment now.
I hope the moment he chooses is later rather than sooner. Anyway, I'd better carry on reading, see you later.

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Originally posted by Nordlys
I hope the moment he chooses is later rather than sooner. Anyway, I'd better carry on reading, see you later.
(I think Monday would be a better day to start).

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
(I think Monday would be a better day to start).
Well, I'm going to start this up in a few hours, when I get back from teaching.

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Originally posted by bbarr
Well, I'm going to start this up in a few hours, when I get back from teaching.
Arrggh, disaster strikes! I'm gonna have to visit my mother this weekend, so I won't be able to join in until after the weekend 🙁

I did however have alecture tonight on the Apology, so hopefully I'm somewhat pre-armed. I'll contribute when I get back if htere's still any meat left to chew.

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I am off to bed. 😴

Reading (or trying to read) the Greek text is quite frustrating because it makes me realize just how much I have forgotten of my Greek. 😞

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First, let's try to reconstruct the argument Socrates gives against Meletus' charge that he corrupts the Athenian youth. The argument starts with this premise:

1) If I corrupt the youth, then either I do so willingly or unwillingly.

How does the argument proceed from there?

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