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@AverageJoe1 saidIt wants to replace a professional civil service.
This may be a HUGE Forum subject, and I implore you folks to speak honestly and truthfully about it, so as not to start mini-wars on the Forum,, a waste of time. I have looked it over, and a lot of what is said about it is incorrect. Exaggerations and falsehoods.
It itself does not call for ending no-fault divorce, or a compete ban on abortions without exceptions. ...[text shortened]... how it can be so bad. I did not see anything about self-reliance, so I take issue with that !!!!!!
End of. That is absurdly stupid.
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@sonhouse saidThe phrase 'know their jobs' really jumps out at me. Have these people performed their jobs?
@AverageJoe1
You are so STUPID you can't even figure out WHY they would do such a sinister evil thing as to get rid of 50,000 people who FUUKING KNOW THEIR JOBS to be replaced by ass kissing YES MEN loyal to POTUS ONLY?
What the FUUUK is wrong with you to even THINK there is nothing wrong with that POS?
Kamala, the secret service woman, Mayorkis, the sec of defense, the horrible Fauci who made us take vaccine, or be fired, (it does not work for the covid-plagued Biden), and the list goes on. These people do not do their jobs, esp Kamala and the Mayorkis creature, and I would fire them.
Would you fire them, Shouse? Why, or why not? You are saying no? If your grandaughters died taking their smuggled fentanyl, would you fire them then??
You will not answer this question, you only rant. zzzzzzzzzz. Gonna be a long Fall season.
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@shavixmir saidReplace it with what?. You little fellers do not close your posts. Please tell us, or let your post just drift away into oblivion, as do the screeds of Sonhouse. zzzzzzz
It wants to replace a professional civil service.
End of. That is absurdly stupid.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI thought you said you read it?
Replace it with what?. You little fellers do not close your posts. Please tell us, or let your post just drift away into oblivion, as do the screeds of Sonhouse. zzzzzzz
Wouldn’t it be obvious?
Anyhoo… with political appointees (yes-men).
And that is obviously a bad thing, but changing the civil service with every government is complete madness.
@sonhouse saidYou know absolutely everything everyone you know has done? If it didn't come from him why would anyone say it did and that he was going to push what was in it, it didn't come from him! This is just another example of people jumping off a cliff to believe something without facts to back it up, even acknowledging it came from WH staffers, not Trump acknowledges it isn't his they are not connected at the hip except in your mind maybe where you lump everyone you don't like into one dehumanized blob as if they act in unison at all times. People on the right do the same thing at times, the only time that is fair is when it is announced that one side or the other is moving in unison for cause.
@Cliff-Mashburn
Right, Trump says he knows nothing about Heritage foundation or Project 2025
Even though the majority of the writers of that 900+ page manifesto came directly from former WH employees.
Right, totally in the dark.
Answer me this: How much do YOU plan to gain from endorsing 2025?
I assume you figure nothing wrong with firing 40 or 50thousand fed workers ...[text shortened]... ty or some such.
I know you already kissed Trumps ass but now you would have to do it publically.
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@shavixmir saidSo, Trump should just take a seat in the oval and leave everything civil as is?
I thought you said you read it?
Wouldn’t it be obvious?
Anyhoo… with political appointees (yes-men).
And that is obviously a bad thing, but changing the civil service with every government is complete madness.
That is what you are saying.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat’s why you have a civil service. It’s non-political; it’s professional. It’s the oil that makes the cogwheels of government and diplomacy work.
So, Trump should just take a seat in the oval and leave everything civil as is?
That is what you are saying.
If you keep switching, you basically get a bunch of amateurs with no comprehension of what has to and needs to be done. You lose all consistancy.
The US already changes certain people with each election, project 2025 wants to do that with a whole lot more.
So instead of having, say, a professional and expert geologist advising on eathquake measures, you have a political amature, a yes man… and that just doesn’t work.
@shavixmir saidI dont get you. Is the VP a professional? The press secretary Jean Pierre? The Myorkas creep, responsible for deaths every day? Today, someone will die there.
That’s why you have a civil service. It’s non-political; it’s professional. It’s the oil that makes the cogwheels of government and diplomacy work.
If you keep switching, you basically get a bunch of amateurs with no comprehension of what has to and needs to be done. You lose all consistancy.
The US already changes certain people with each election, project 2025 wants ...[text shortened]... advising on eathquake measures, you have a political amature, a yes man… and that just doesn’t work.
Give us a few examples of people who operate in the civil service, as civil servants. And what you are saying as to their tenure. Does Trump not have every right to exercise his own way of doing things as president? If you like his Secretary of Liberty, and he does not, may he fire the secretary of liberty. Does he have to have a reason ? (no)
PS: 2025 is the opposite of your extreme left, it is extreme right. You fellers, esp Sonhouse, need to relax
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@shavixmir said"It’s non-political; it’s professional.'
That’s why you have a civil service. It’s non-political; it’s professional. It’s the oil that makes the cogwheels of government and diplomacy work.
If you keep switching, you basically get a bunch of amateurs with no comprehension of what has to and needs to be done. You lose all consistancy.
The US already changes certain people with each election, project 2025 wants ...[text shortened]... advising on eathquake measures, you have a political amature, a yes man… and that just doesn’t work.
It is supposed to be and should be that way. Liberals started using their jobs to further their own political beliefs. (and you know it)
You premise is just plain stupid.
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@AverageJoe1
Trump wants the total government to be under the thumb of Trump and Trump alone. Sounds like you totally agree with that 'policy'.
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@AverageJoe1
So your judgement of those three folks means all 50,000 fed workers are just as contemptable as those three.
I guess firing them and putting in people whose only resume is to pledge total loyalty to Trump and Trump alone and not just for fed workers but DOJ also, appoint someone like Steve Miller as AG, GREAT idea, eh.
What will you say when you finally realize just how much of a traitor Trump really is after he or IF he is elected again.
Or you do completely agree Trump should control all three branches of our government and don't go NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, just answer the question as a hypothetical.
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@AverageJoe1
So ONE FUUUKING PERSON should be able to judge thousands of different kinds of federal jobs. I guess that person would want to be YOU.
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@sonhouse saidWith all due respects, you say that like it is written in stone. How do you always know what he wants.? At least he is up front, not devious as is (was) Biden.
@AverageJoe1
Trump wants the total government to be under the thumb of Trump and Trump alone. Sounds like you totally agree with that 'policy'.
He is up front. He has told us he is going to dammit close the holes in Biden's border. So, yes, he is going to put border under his thumb. You got me. Your predictions will prove correct. He is going to thumb the border. Is that an OK thing for Trump to do.? What do you say? Say, yes, I must admit AvJOe, Trump needs to fix the border.
Jesus.
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@AverageJoe1
Lets take as a debate premise, Trump wants all the things I mentioned, total control of all three branches of government.
Is that ok with you? Yes or no would suffice.
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@sonhouse saidYOur post is hard to follow. You write glibly like Sue does. I think you are saying that these 3 people need firing?? Right. That is, in fact, who I wrote about. I guess I could name the queer who was wearing a stolen dress at the airport, don't know who or what that was, but he is govt. So we wikll play name-that-person and start picking who to fire. Are you being obtuse!!!?!?!? I guess I will have to come up there! Why do you say I want Trump to control all 3 branches of government? Next you will say that I want Trump to pull treasury money to pay off everyone's credit cards, maybe even loans that they have in their names. Why would you say something as horrible as that. You make him sound like a dictator!!!!!
@AverageJoe1
So your judgement of those three folks means all 50,000 fed workers are just as contemptable as those three.
I guess firing them and putting in people whose only resume is to pledge total loyalty to Trump and Trump alone and not just for fed workers but DOJ also, appoint someone like Steve Miller as AG, GREAT idea, eh.
What will you say when you finally reali ...[text shortened]... s of our government and don't go NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, just answer the question as a hypothetical.