@averagejoe1 saidYou misspelled Trump.
Biden created Hell at the border, and now has created hell for several hundred Americans. Biden, Sonhouse. Don't once again waste our time about Trump.
It is Sunday, and they are all I will think about on the front row at church. I hope all of us do the same.
Do you think his releasing 5000 Taliban fighters, including their leader, was a good move?
He caved to terrorists, and as part of the deal, pulled out American soldiers until we only had 2500 left. What did you think was going to happen?
@suzianne saidNo, no,, we are not talking about the release of 5000,,,,So, you and all pundits in the news outlets, talk shows, senators, legislators. military brains, etc, all agree that Trump caused the Americans to be trapped there. Not Biden? Trump called all the shots over the last couple months, and last week, which led to this disaster? This hell? The trapped Americans, do you think they will blame Trump for screwing up the abandonment? I don't think he and the President ever speak, and Trump does not confer with Susan Rice, who is running everything, so if you think it was Trump, how so?
You misspelled Trump.
Do you think his releasing 5000 Taliban fighters, including their leader, was a good move?
He caved to terrorists, and as part of the deal, pulled out American soldiers until we only had 2500 left. What did you think was going to happen?
@averagejoe1 saidWe all know that you don't give a damn about anyone that chose to stay behind in Afghanistan. All you care about is attempting to make our President somehow look bad. Never gone happen here 'smaller than average Joe boy;' never. lol... The only thing you need to pray about is asking God for forgiveness for your worthless lies and false witness against others; including our President; a real President.
Biden created Hell at the border, and now has created hell for several hundred Americans. Biden, Sonhouse. Don't once again waste our time about Trump.
It is Sunday, and they are all I will think about on the front row at church. I hope all of us do the same.
Biden left a fully equipped 300,000.00+ man Afghan military force behind to protect the Afghans from the Taliban. The minute we left they just layed down their arms because they all want the Taliban to rule their country. The same as it was before we invaded them 20 years ago.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/08/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-drawdown-of-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/
"Together, with our NATO Allies and partners, we have trained and equipped over three hu- — nearly 300,000 current serving members of the military — of the Afghan National Security Force, and many beyond that who are no longer serving. Add to that, hundreds of thousands more Afghan National Defense and Security Forces trained over the last two decades.
We provided our Afghan partners with all the tools — let me emphasize: all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. We provided advanced weaponry. And we’re going to continue to provide funding and equipment. And we’ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force."
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@kingdavid403 said“ We all know that you don't give a damn about anyone that CHOSE to stay behind in Afghanistan.”
We all know that you don't give a damn about anyone that chose to stay behind in Afghanistan. All you care about is attempting to make our President somehow look bad. Never gone happen here 'smaller than average Joe boy;' never. lol... The only thing you need to pray about is asking God for forgiveness for your worthless lies and false witness against others; including our President; a real President.
YOU ARE LYING
05 Sep 21
@kingdavid403 saidTo use a liberal word, I find it offensive that you say I don't give a damn about the Americans. I might then say that liberals don't give a damn about America. You definitely qualify.
We all know that you don't give a damn about anyone that chose to stay behind in Afghanistan. All you care about is attempting to make our President somehow look bad. Never gone happen here 'smaller than average Joe boy;' never. lol... The only thing you need to pray about is asking God for forgiveness for your worthless lies and false witness against others; includ ...[text shortened]... ovide funding and equipment. And we’ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force."
There,, I've shown you, King David.
Now would some of you tell us what in the hell Biden was thinnkgin when he abandoned the Americans, had an unreasonable evacuation date, etc ete
05 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidThere you go again with the schtick .......
No, no,, we are not talking about the release of 5000,,,,So, you and all pundits in the news outlets, talk shows, senators, legislators. military brains, etc, all agree that Trump caused the Americans to be trapped there. Not Biden? Trump called all the shots over the last couple months, and last week, which led to this disaster? This hell? The trapped Americans, do y ...[text shortened]... mp does not confer with Susan Rice, who is running everything, so if you think it was Trump, how so?
I want to have a debate, but I want to put my cards on the table but you can't put your cards on the table.
Stop acting like a 6 year old .......
This "I can win a debate against you if you guys will just let me win" schtick won't wash here.
Especially on a topic like this.
Afghanistan was a cesspool waiting to happen for several administrations.
And most people will acknowledge that Biden screwed up in the implementation of the withdrawal.
The decision was not the issue.
So YES YES YES !!
We will talk about the 5000 released prisoners.
We will talk about Trump's troop reduction to 2500 just before he left office.
Which I think was intentional as an act of sabotage against the incoming administration.
No one with a shred of common sense would put this past Trump.
After all, when you have a president that believes that COVID deaths that number in the hundreds of thousands is an acceptable cost of "making America great again", what are an extra 200 people to a guy like Trump.
If you don't like the way this debate plays out, then stop creating the threads !!
There are already numerous threads out there on this topic.
And quit whining !!
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@mghrn55 saidthe problem is, none of what you mention caused biden to run off and abandon these people that trusted us and American citizens.
There you go again with the schtick .......
I want to have a debate, but I want to put my cards on the table but you can't put your cards on the table.
Stop acting like a 6 year old .......
This "I can win a debate against you if you guys will just let me win" schtick won't wash here.
Especially on a topic like this.
Afghanistan was a cesspool waiting to happen for seve ...[text shortened]... ing the threads !!
There are already numerous threads out there on this topic.
And quit whining !!
05 Sep 21
@mghrn55 saidContrare', this thread says clearly that Biden created hell for the Americans. Y'all, true to form, want to write about a previous president who has. Nothing To Do With Having Left The Americans Behind.
There you go again with the schtick .......
I want to have a debate, but I want to put my cards on the table but you can't put your cards on the table.
Stop acting like a 6 year old .......
This "I can win a debate against you if you guys will just let me win" schtick won't wash here.
Especially on a topic like this.
Afghanistan was a cesspool waiting to happen for seve ...[text shortened]... ing the threads !!
There are already numerous threads out there on this topic.
And quit whining !!
Look at what Biden did last week, that is the issue here. I guess you could blame Bush or Monica Clinton or someone else, who started the problem 30 years ago which caused us to go in 20 years ago. I will stipulate that you are exactly right about who did what and when. You are right, that would be a fun thread for Sonhouse and other liberal posters.
But this thread is about last week.
Weak stuff, MGHM. You have opened yourself up to be 'agreed with' by me, AverageJoe, so, I'm afraid that that which you lament about above is now not arguable. I agree with what everybody and their grannies were doing.
So, could you read the first post on this thread and tell us on a scale of one to ten how disappointed you are with what Hell Biden has created, and maybe give us some ideas to save these poor wretches.
Whew. Cards (well, just one card) is on the table. And you think that I am the six year old. You actually say '(Biden's) decision is not the issue!" It is ten ONLY issue of this thread. I should know, I produced it.
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Have you read Suzianne on page 2 of the Joy Reid post? Don't feel lonesome and backed into a corner, she does the same thing and is running our of options to change the issue. She is in a similar corner.
05 Sep 21
@mott-the-hoople saidLet's be patient, Mott, I think he is about to have a light-bulb moment....we will finally see what libs think about Biden's abandonment of way-over-a-hundred citizens.
the problem is, none of what you mention caused biden to run off and abandon these people that trusted us and American citizens.
05 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidNo, no, no ....... you can't set the boundaries if it limits realistic discussion.
Contrare', this thread says clearly that Biden created hell for the Americans. Y'all, true to form, want to write about a previous president who has. Nothing To Do With Having Left The Americans Behind.
Look at what Biden did last week, that is the issue here. I guess you could blame Bush or Monica Clinton or someone else, who started the problem ...[text shortened]... s) decision is not the issue!" It is ten ONLY issue of this thread. I should know, I produced it.
The premise that Biden created hell for Americans is your premise.
A counterpoint to that premise is clearly allowed.
And to say Afghanistan only happened in the last 7 months is a ridiculous statement.
So we can bring in past administrations, from GW Bush onwards. No pont discussing Bush.
But one can argue that Obama could have started an orderly withdrawal afer they got Bin Laden.
Based on the assumption that the Taliban was going to be back anyways.
The previous administration, yes Trump, can be held accountable for negotiating with the Taliban. I can only imagine how FOX would have been bouncing off the walls if Obama had negotiated them, but that's another story.
My point is that Trump carried out 2 actions that created the conditions for the sh$t show that is Afghanistan. I pointed those out.
Now..... I am well within the boundaries of debate protocol.
And I am more than comfortable if someone comes back to me and tells that I am wrong, or even that I don't know what I am talking about.
That is debating.
But don't stomp your feet on the floor like a petulant child who didn't get a second bowl of ice cream.
I am inbounds bringing up Trump's failures on this one.
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@mghrn55 saidTrumps plan was working…until biden ALLOWED the taliban COMPLETE CONTROL
No, no, no ....... you can't set the boundaries if it limits realistic discussion.
The premise that Biden created hell for Americans is your premise.
A counterpoint to that premise is clearly allowed.
And to say Afghanistan only happened in the last 7 months is a ridiculous statement.
So we can bring in past administrations, from GW Bush onwards. No pont discussing Bush. ...[text shortened]... who didn't get a second bowl of ice cream.
I am inbounds bringing up Trump's failures on this one.
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@mott-the-hoople saidTrump's plan was working.
Trumps plan was working…until biden ALLOWED the taliban COMPLETE CONTROL
On that we agree.
Where we differ is on the objective.
Trump's objective was to sabotage the oncoming administration.
He set the table for the catastrophe that ensued.