17 Mar 22
@wildgrass saidNo, Tucker is a person on corp news media.
You're not corporate media. Tucker is corporate media.
NPR/PBS is probably the least corporate source of news you can find in America. I trust them and my local newspaper.
I would prefer NPR/PBS to the corp news media but PBS is still funded by corporations and foundations. I used to watch Democracy Now! Have you seen it before?
17 Mar 22
@vivify said"Invading Iraq made Bush one of the most hated men in the world."
WTF are you talking about? Invading Iraq made Bush one of the most hated men in the world. There were protests around the entire world against the invasion. Here's a NYT article from 2003 about how the whole world reviled Bush:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131225062538/http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/17/world/threats-and-responses-news-analysis-a-new-power-in-the-streets ...[text shortened]... nt in History?[/b]
What "bias" are you talking about? You're just spewing crap to defend Russia.
LOL! This isn't about what the world thought of him. This is about propaganda in the USA, not Russia and North Korea. We both know Russia and North Korea used the invasion of Iraq to demonstrate the USA is an imperialist invader. It isn't a lie though.
When you watch the corporate news media are they biased against Russia in their reporting? Yes or no?
17 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidAre you defining corporate media as any media funded by anyone?
No, Tucker is a person on corp news media.
I would prefer NPR/PBS to the corp news media but PBS is still funded by corporations and foundations. I used to watch Democracy Now! Have you seen it before?
17 Mar 22
@wildgrass saidI'm not calling PBS corporate news media. I am saying it is funded by Zuckerberg and some Rockefellers though. The PBS Newshour is still biased in much the same way the CNM is. PBS has BBC America on right before that which also has much of the same sort of bias.
Are you defining corporate media as any media funded by anyone?
PBS isn't much better. Watch Free speech TV sometime.
@metal-brain saidYes. Exactly.
Still buying into the demonization of Russia?
If Putin is horrible for invading Ukraine Bush and Obama are horrible too. You do see the hypocrisy. You just don't want to accept it doesn't make sense to accept contradictions like that.
Why are unprovoked invasions good when we do them but bad when Russia does them? Isn't that kind of cognitive dissonance stupid? If it isn't propaganda making you stupid what is it?
Just because other leaders are evil, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t condemn Putin.
It does mean that you should condemn the lot of them.
17 Mar 22
@shavixmir saidI already stated I don't condone unprovoked wars of choice. Putin, Obama, GW Bush, Clinton, Trump and Reagan are all evil. They have all killed a lot of people.
Yes. Exactly.
Just because other leaders are evil, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t condemn Putin.
It does mean that you should condemn the lot of them.
From the link below:
"Commenting on the American leader’s remarks, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told TASS that Moscow considers “unacceptable and unforgivable such rhetoric from the head of state, whose bombs killed hundreds of thousands of people around the world.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/552103-biden-kremlin-war-criminal/
I am not condoning Putin's evil, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of not acknowledging the evil from our own governments. Propaganda is causing people to accept absurd double think.
@metal-brain saidI gave you two articles, one from the the New York Times and one from Rolling Stone. So what are you talking about?
"Invading Iraq made Bush one of the most hated men in the world."
LOL! This isn't about what the world thought of him. This is about propaganda in the USA, not Russia and North Korea.
Calling you an idiot is not an insult, it's objective fact.
17 Mar 22
@vivify saidI'm talking about the TV network news. That is where most people get their news.
I gave you two articles, one from the the New York Times and one from Rolling Stone. So what are you talking about?
Calling you an idiot is not an insult, it's objective fact.
I can post a NYT link too and here is a good one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-special-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html
But how often do you hear about that on the TV news?
17 Mar 22
@wildgrass saidI watched the PBS Newshour today and they started out by saying civilians in Ukraine were getting the brunt of fighting in the southern part of the country. Then they went on to say how civilians were being targeted.
You're not corporate media. Tucker is corporate media.
NPR/PBS is probably the least corporate source of news you can find in America. I trust them and my local newspaper.
The PBS Newshour never covered the Iraq or Libyan war that way. They are showing clear bias against Russia in the way they are reporting things. It isn't just the corporate news media that spreads propaganda.
@metal-brain saidOf course Bush was attacked on US TV...how else did he become so massively unpopular with Americans?
I'm talking about the TV network news. That is where most people get their news.
I can post a NYT link too and here is a good one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/16/world/secrets-history-cia-iran-special-report-plot-convulsed-iran-53-79.html
But how often do you hear about that on the TV news?
The world, including Americans, hated Bush, and it all started when he invaded Iraq.
Your attempt to defend Russia's negative coverage by pretending Bush wasn't mercilessly attacked by nearly every media outlet is reeks of sad, pathetic desperation. Can't expect any better from a right-winger.
17 Mar 22
@vivify saidAmericans hated Bush and that is why he got a second term? That is absurd!
Of course Bush was attacked on US TV...how else did he become so massively unpopular with Americans?
The world, including Americans, hated Bush, and it all started when he invaded Iraq.
Your attempt to defend Russia's negative coverage by pretending Bush wasn't mercilessly attacked by nearly every media outlet is reeks of sad, pathetic desperation. Can't expect any better from a right-winger.
Democrats attacked Bush for invading Iraq, not republicans. Then when Obama invaded Libya Democrats condoned the invasion all of the sudden. See how that works?
17 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidExplain how telling the truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine demonising Russia Explain why Ukrainians should suffer unwitnessed because you think that the US media soft peddle regarding its military wrong doings.
Still buying into the demonization of Russia?
If Putin is horrible for invading Ukraine Bush and Obama are horrible too. You do see the hypocrisy. You just don't want to accept it doesn't make sense to accept contradictions like that.
Why are unprovoked invasions good when we do them but bad when Russia does them? Isn't that kind of cognitive dissonance stupid? If it isn't propaganda making you stupid what is it?
The only thing that explains your ludicrous attitude to the slaughter of the Ukrainians is that you are a fellow fascist in cahoots with Putin.
Let’s just crush Putins fascist regime then we can address all these injustices that we’ve been addressing for years in this forum and in the wider community.
If your referring to the Iraq war there are very Americans who are in any doubt about the injustice of that slaughter partly because we unlike Russia have a free press and media
17 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidThe "Zelensky is a hero" mantra is very harmful. It's likely that Zelensky could have negotiated and avoided the entire invasion to begin with. It may have involved relinquishing the Donbas regions, but given the majority of the local populations supported that, it's worthwhile to consider this option against the current cost of resistance. Appeasing Putin may not have worked, but we would essentially be in the same position as we are today if it didn't. Isn't it worth a shot if there is a chance it could have prevented the death, destruction, and misplacement of millions? Or perhaps it would not even have required the separation of Donbas but simply a neutrality agreement, as is being discussed now.
Explain how telling the truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine demonising Russia Explain why Ukrainians should suffer unwitnessed because you think that the US media soft peddle regarding its military wrong doings.
The only thing that explains your ludicrous attitude to the slaughter of the Ukrainians is that you are a fellow fascist in cahoots with Putin.
Let’s just c ...[text shortened]... bt about the injustice of that slaughter partly because we unlike Russia have a free press and media
Sadly we don't know because these concessions were not seriously considered by Zelensky prior to the invasion. And instead, the entire world has cheered him on as he subjected millions to the consequences of delayed negotiations.
@metal-brain saidBush being hated in America is not in dispute. You will not find anyone who agrees with you.
Americans hated Bush and that is why he got a second term? That is absurd!
Democrats attacked Bush for invading Iraq, not republicans. Then when Obama invaded Libya Democrats condoned the invasion all of the sudden. See how that works?
Now you're on the right track. There is a major difference, though: the Libyan invasion was sanctioned by the UN; Iraq was not.