10 Sep 07
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Originally posted by SMSBear716Hehe i said Russia, not USSR
Yes, Russia never invaded anywhere. The list since the revolution is certainly short now isn't it? I guess we will dismiss the invasion of Afghanistan. That was just a sideshow, for what 10 years?
Yes and the US just invaded Iraq to take its oil, now get over it, Saddam was just a sweet angel he ignored how many Useless Nations (UN) resolutions? And t ...[text shortened]... , well most of them.
How many years was Romania a Soviet(Russian) puppet state, by the way.
The problem is not the past, it is the present. Today the US is the paranoid warmongering state, not Russia. Sure Russia is not an angel either, but the fact remains that during the past 15 years USA leads in the number of countries invaded. USA is much more aggressive now(maybe perhaps because the big bad soviet bear isn't around anymore to keep the balance)
If you insist on dwelling on the past however, don't remind me how bad the soviet union was. The reason for the dark communist period was not just the soviets, there were other factors as well. One of which was the meeting where churchill and truman discarded the eastern block to the soviet like moldy food. "Sure mr stalin, you want Romania? Take it please." And a lesson in history, nobody has a 100% rosy past. Remember your slavery and native american extermination before mentioning how bad the soviets were.
Many years have past since the US saved Europe. This day, the US isnt saving anyone. The US isn't the guardian of peace anymore, quite on the contrary. I am not saying that Russia is. I am saying that Amerika is much more likely to cause a war than any other country. So forgive me if a few planes flying near norway don't cause me to jump in fear. Like americans do everytime the idiot bush says "We have to invade this country, coz its eeeevil"
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziHehehe Who do you think was running the Soviet Union , Romania???.... as for the rest of your post.. its just anti-USA BS Have a nice day
Hehe i said Russia, not USSR
The problem is not the past, it is the present. Today the US is the paranoid warmongering state, not Russia. Sure Russia is not an angel either, but the fact remains that during the past 15 years USA leads in the number of countries invaded. USA is much more aggressive now(maybe perhaps because the big bad soviet bear isn't a ...[text shortened]... icans do everytime the idiot bush says "We have to invade this country, coz its eeeevil"
10 Sep 07
These routes signal nothing other than Pooty saying, "Look at Me!" This is about power politics, not a show of military strength.
The Bear is an big, old, slow, crusty bomber that's absolutely massive on radar. It's not going to sneak up on any European Air Force. I'm not sure on this, but the Bear looks to me like they designed it after the bombers they got from us from the WWII Lend-Lease program. (Look at a picture of the Bear and the B-29)
If Putin is serious about signaling a return to strength, look for bomber routes flown with the much more modern Tupolev TU-160. It's fast. very fast.
If he were to invade Russias old stomping grounds, the Useless Ninnies couldn't do anything because Russia is a permament member of the insecurity council. I doubt China would go along with it either. I would assume that any invasion or potential invasion would not be to gain territory (It does them no good. Especially with their dwindling population), but to extract concessions from western nations that bend over easily and have a lot to give. (U.S.) Plus, it would be fairly easy for the west to wrestle a small piece of territory back from an invading Russian army. The American, Canadian, Australian and European militaries would be just way too much for one nation to take on for a chunk of land in Eastern Europe. There's no pay-off there at all.
I highly doubt Russia will ever even threaten invasion of Eastern Europe, but give him a few years and he'll be exerting Russias power on the world stage against European desires. That's the only place his military really has any leverage.
11 Sep 07
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell, its too hard to be too patriotic these days with all the Blame America First, Move On.org types lurking about.
You're too patriotic for your own good...or the good of your country.
However I was simply being sarcastic towards our Romanian friend since he thinks, apparently , that the United States wishes to rule the world. An assertion of that type with no evidence to back it up, deserves what it gets. Just doing my part.
11 Sep 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716Yeah, I'd say Putin is just after dictatorship, not communism.
If communism, isn't a viable form of government anymore, one should tell that to Chavez, he isn't convinced.
As for Putin, he wants to remain in charge no matter who the President of the Russian Federation is. He wants to be holding the strings of power. It wouldn't surprise me to see Putin or his puppet sucessor attempt to reabsorb some of the old So ...[text shortened]... a conflict? Doubtful. And guess who the world would look to to act forcefully ... once again
11 Sep 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716Why is it that anti-Americanism is not to be tolerated, but "anti-Russianism" is an acceptable (and encouraged) form of conduct?
Hehehe Who do you think was running the Soviet Union , Romania???.... as for the rest of your post.. its just anti-USA BS Have a nice day
12 Sep 07
Originally posted by infomastSorry you have a dictator for a President ... I'm sure you'll enjoy him for a couple more decades. Being of Russian ancestry and having relatives still living there who pass on tidbits of information, I think its say that Putin is Kruschev under the skin but at least he hasn't taken his shoe off yet ... operative word is yet.
Why is it that anti-Americanism is not to be tolerated, but "anti-Russianism" is an acceptable (and encouraged) form of conduct?
Originally posted by SMSBear716what you fail to understand is that i was pointing out that judging from the past 10-15 years the US is much more likely to put up an "Evil empire" than any other country(except Nkoreea but they are just psychotic not really that dangerous)
Well, its too hard to be too patriotic these days with all the Blame America First, Move On.org types lurking about.
However I was simply being sarcastic towards our Romanian friend since he thinks, apparently , that the United States wishes to rule the world. An assertion of that type with no evidence to back it up, deserves what it gets. Just doing my part.
you started this thread thinking that we would all jump in terror and say "you are right mister american sir, them russians is crazy". Well i was saying that flying some bombers in international waters doesn't measure up to Iraq invasion. See the beam in your eye and all that
And last but not least, you are of course a lying bastard. I was not saying america is out to rule the world, i was just reacting to your debate:
"Has Putin got dreams of rekindling a Russian Empire? Or does he just think Soviet Communism failed because he wasn't running it?". My reaction is that america is much more likely to create an empire than russia. so do try to understand what i am posting you egocentric redneck.
12 Sep 07
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Originally posted by SMSBear716Hehe speaking of dictators, is Bush by any chance insisting on continuing the war(well it is not a war anymore but more of an occupation) in iraq without the consent of the american people?
Sorry you have a dictator for a President ... I'm sure you'll enjoy him for a couple more decades. Being of Russian ancestry and having relatives still living there who pass on tidbits of information, I think its say that Putin is Kruschev under the skin but at least he hasn't taken his shoe off yet ... operative word is yet.
12 Sep 07
Originally posted by infomastBecause the US is the light of freedom and happiness for all mankind. Whoever says otherwise is an ungrateful bastard for america saves all.
Why is it that anti-Americanism is not to be tolerated, but "anti-Russianism" is an acceptable (and encouraged) form of conduct?
On a more serious note, nobody can answer your question. It maybe has something to do with the american dream, with the declaration of independence, mcdonalds, rock'n roll and all that stuff.
you should read Norman Spinrad Russian Spring, that might shed some light. and it is a great book to boot. (google it if you dont have the time to read)
12 Sep 07
Originally posted by PhelimWe shouldn't forget that the U.S. are after putting "defensive" millitary installations all along Russia's border with Europe.
Hugo Chavez isn't a communist. He's a socialist in opposition to U.S. aggresion. In fact he is against the Venezuelan Communist party. Americans are just too quick to proclaim any one a communist that isn't as greedy as them and shows some independent strength lke Vladimir Putin. Putin flies a few planes around Norway and you start wetting yourselves. Whilst ...[text shortened]... ades Iraq and Afghanistan, wants to invade Iran and supprts oppresive Isreal. Which is worse?
Not that I don't think Putin is as dangerous Bush.
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12 Sep 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716I do believe that Putin is not in his position to advance American (or any other foreign) interests. His main concern should be about Russia and Russian citizens. He should not, necessarily, be seeking anyone else's approval.
Sorry you have a dictator for a President ... I'm sure you'll enjoy him for a couple more decades. Being of Russian ancestry and having relatives still living there who pass on tidbits of information, I think its say that Putin is Kruschev under the skin but at least he hasn't taken his shoe off yet ... operative word is yet.
If I'm not mistaken the US have been flying over Soviet territory (not near, but over) as far back as 1950's (May Day episode) and wasn't apologetic about it. Also, isn't the US military budget greater than that of all other major powers combined?