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@teinosuke said
Ethnicity is wider than just "race" though. It's about language, history, tradition, culture... and religion. So the Christian / Muslim divide is one element of ethnic difference. In some cases (e.g., the difference between a Serb and a Bosniak), religion is the main thing that defines ethnicity, since language and race are identical and differences in culture and tradition ...[text shortened]... orno-Karabagh, which happened precisely because national borders and ethnic borders didn't coincide.
I disagree. The area is literally a tiny oval in the middle of another country.
No matter who was claiming it, it would be disputed.

Yes, I know Andorra and Monaco go undisputed... but they are exceptions to general land-grab-happiness.

(I deliberately left out Vatican city and London City for obvious reasons).

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Okay... my wife just said: “Hey Mark, you missed Liechtenstein.”
Two points need to be made here:
- no, my real name is not Shavixmir.
- Liechtenstein, in the 30’s, described one woman as their Jewish problem.

The less said about Liechtenstein, the better.

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@shavixmir said
I disagree. The area is literally a tiny oval in the middle of another country.
No matter who was claiming it, it would be disputed.
Yes, the area is a tiny oval in the middle of another country - an oval inhabited predominantly by ethnic Armenians in the middle of a country inhabited by ethnic Azeris. That's the source of the dispute. If there wasn't an ethnic difference, and if both sides didn't feel that their tribe had some kind of historical and present-day claim on the territory, then there wouldn't be a dispute about it. If there wasn't an ethnic difference, there wouldn't be a nation state of Armenia and a nation state of Azerbaijan to dispute it in the first place.

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Sounds a lot like the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. That sure turned out swell.

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The post that was quoted here has been removed
I wasn't making an argument "for" anything. I was disputing the facile claim that the question is about territory "rather than" ethnicity. Rather obviously it's about both.

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