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religious loyalty or national loyalty?

religious loyalty or national loyalty?

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Originally posted by sword4damocles
I want some of your valium! πŸ˜›
LOL! I still wonder if you are mocking me, lol! πŸ˜‰

No, really, religion is intimate and there it should stay, inside ourselves and the walls within people like minded gather. However, the law and its representative shall not be surpassed by religion, because that's the only guarantee of equal freedom of thought: The State.

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Originally posted by Seitse
LOL! I still wonder if you are mocking me, lol! πŸ˜‰

No, really, religion is intimate and [b]there
it should stay, inside ourselves and the walls within people like minded gather. However, the law and its representative shall not be surpassed by religion, because that's the only guarantee of equal freedom of thought: The State.[/b]
Rest assured, I'm not mocking you. I'm complimenting you.

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Originally posted by sword4damocles
Rest assured, I'm not mocking you. I'm complimenting you.
Thanks mate, I am glad we agree. The pursuit of happiness is no
easy task anywhere in the world, yet a lot of us still believe
is possible.

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Originally posted by Seitse
Thanks mate, I am glad we agree. The pursuit of happiness is no
easy task anywhere in the world, yet a lot of us still believe
is possible.
Here's to HAPPINESS! Now pass that valium! πŸ˜‰ Just kidding. πŸ˜€

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Originally posted by sword4damocles
Here's to HAPPINESS! Now pass that valium! πŸ˜‰ Just kidding. πŸ˜€
ROTFLMAO!!!!! 😡

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Originally posted by Seitse
Asserting that Aztec religiosity is part of history just because no more
human sacrifices are held, is like saying Catholicism is part of history
because the inquisition is not performed anymore (at least the way it
used to be).
Another example, animal sacrifice was clearly documented in the Old Testament yet is no longer practiced by Abrahamic religions.

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Originally posted by Ullr
Another example, animal sacrifice was clearly documented in the Old Testament yet is no longer practiced by Abrahamic religions.
Good point but they are practising to bring it back in the future when the Third Temple is built.

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I'm a British citizen, but I don't feel any loyalty to Britain. Why should I ? Because by chance I was born here rather than somewhere else ? Any one nation is no more deserving of loyalty than any other. I do feel affection for and solidarity with the great majority of the British people (excluding racists, BNP members, etc) - but that's something different, isn't it ?

So though I'm an atheist, it doesn't seem strange to me at all that someone should say they're a Muslim first and British second. That's not extremism. Most British people have many loyalties (not least to their family) that are stronger than national loyalty - most wish that they could live abroad, for starters.

"NOTHING justifies acts of terrorism, and all terrorists are cowards who aren't strong enough to fight the good fight like Ghandi!!!!! " - well I'm not sure that it's cowardly to blow yourself up - certainly less cowardly than those other terrorists who bombed Baghdad and Beirut with little fear of getting their warplanes shot out of the skies. The bombers are absolutely wrong to target civilians, and their political aims are very murky and confused - but let's be clear : they do what they do not because of their religious beliefs, but because of their political beliefs. It's a cry of rage against the actions of the US, Britain and Israel in the Middle East.

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Originally posted by bolshevik
I'm a British citizen, but I don't feel any loyalty to Britain. Why should I ? Because by chance I was born here rather than somewhere else ? Any one nation is no more deserving of loyalty than any other. I do feel affection for and solidarity with the great majority of the British people (excluding racists, BNP members, etc) - but that's something differe ...[text shortened]... cry of rage against the actions of the US, Britain and Israel in the Middle East.
Do you feel any loyalty to bolshevism?

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So though I'm an atheist, it doesn't seem strange to me at all that someone should say they're a Muslim first and British second. That's not extremism. Most British people have many loyalties (not least to their family) that are stronger than national loyalty - most wish that they could live abroad, for starters.
yeah, i imagine if you ask a lot of british males of around 14-25, most of them wouldnt feel much loyalty to their country, regardless of their religion.

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Originally posted by SALADIN
seutse... you should know by now that Philly has no idiea what his is talking about half the timeπŸ˜€πŸ˜€
I believe what Philodor was saying was the human sacrifices that the Aztecs did during their services. There are still Aztecs performing ancient rituals (minus human sacrifices). Kind of like the practice of voodoo in some of the Carribean Islands that combine Catholicism with ancient African tribal religions.

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Originally posted by davidtravelling
yeah, i imagine if you ask a lot of british males of around 14-25, most of them wouldnt feel much loyalty to their country, regardless of their religion.
some show more loyality to the football team they support then anything else!πŸ™‚

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Originally posted by bolshevik
I'm a British citizen, but I don't feel any loyalty to Britain. Why should I ? Because by chance I was born here rather than somewhere else ? Any one nation is no more deserving of loyalty than any other. I do feel affection for and solidarity with the great majority of the British people (excluding racists, BNP members, etc) - but that's something differe ...[text shortened]... cry of rage against the actions of the US, Britain and Israel in the Middle East.
A nation which provides you with shelter, food, and security is worthy of loyalty. Fortunately most British citizens agree, the exceptions being a small bunch of indiginous left-wing loonies, and a small but deadly group of ist and 2nd geveration immigrants.
To whish category do you belong?

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Originally posted by Philodor
To whish category do you belong?
None of those, I'm a capitalist.
My allegiance is to me me me, stuff everyone else.

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