Respect on the opposite side

@jimm619 said
Ron Paul?............First class jerk, in my book.
His latest 'patriotic' vitriol.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rand-paul-encourages-truckers-blockade-234601316.html

You're confusing Ron with Rand.

Ron Paul is is Rand's father. The apple, unfortunately, fell too far from the tree. Same for RFK Jr.

@vivify said
You're confusing Ron with Rand.

Ron Paul is is Rand's father. The apple, unfortunately, fell too far from the tree. Same for RFK Jr.

Oh, I don't know.

I don't think Ron would be a fan of COVID restrictions, which is the issue Rand is most famous for.

Edit: Apparently, I don't have to guess. According to Wikipedia:

"COVID-19 pandemic statements
On March 16, 2020, Ron Paul criticized the government, media, and public responses to the nascent COVID-19 pandemic in a column for his website.[244] He dismissed claims of a death rate higher than the flu as "a claim without any scientific basis" and said that the "chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health," who Paul claimed was "serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic." He stated, "People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus 'pandemic' could be a big hoax... That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the 'threat' is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#COVID-19_pandemic_statements


Seems like the apple is basically on the tree.

@sh76 said
Oh, I don't know.

I don't think Ron would be a fan of COVID restrictions, which is the issue Rand is most famous for.

Ron also wouldn't be a fan of spreading misinformation, which an issue Rand is most famous for.

@vivify said
Ron also wouldn't be a fan of spreading misinformation, which an issue Rand is most famous for.

The more I poke around online the more it seems that Ron and Rand are in lockstep on COVID.

@vivify said
What political figures or pundits of the opposite political spectrum from you do you respect? For conservatives, I mean other than the obvious, like Sinema, Manchin or Lieberman.

For me, definitely Ron Paul.

Also, Krystal Ball, an anchor for The Hill.

I don't know what side I'm on anymore. I enjoy the conservative opinion columns of Bill Kristol and David Brooks. I still do, but those guys are no longer considered conservative.

@sh76 said
The more I poke around online the more it seems that Ron and Rand are in lockstep on COVID.

Yes. Ron is libertarian, so that makes sense. But Ron would not defend his position with misinformation, which little Paul bragged about using.

@sh76 said
Oh, I don't know.

I don't think Ron would be a fan of COVID restrictions, which is the issue Rand is most famous for.

Edit: Apparently, I don't have to guess. According to Wikipedia:

"COVID-19 pandemic statements
On March 16, 2020, Ron Paul criticized the government, media, and public responses to the nascent COVID-19 pandemic in a column for his website.[244] He dismi ...[text shortened]... a.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#COVID-19_pandemic_statements


Seems like the apple is basically on the tree.

The difference is that Ron has solutions, not just problems.

@sh76 said
Edit: Apparently, I don't have to guess. According to Wikipedia:

"COVID-19 pandemic statements

Seems like the apple is basically on the tree.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=ron-paul

Seems I was wrong. PolitiFact has many instances of this guy spreading false information.

Heartbreaking. Looks like you're right.

@wildgrass said
The difference is that Ron has solutions, not just problems.

As I recall, Ron's solution for every problem was always to get government out of it.

@vivify said
What political figures or pundits of the opposite political spectrum from you do you respect? For conservatives, I mean other than the obvious, like Sinema, Manchin or Lieberman.

For me, definitely Ron Paul.

Also, Krystal Ball, an anchor for The Hill.

I'll give a nod to Mitt Romney; he's successfully resisted Trump mania.

@mchill said
I'll give a nod to Mitt Romney; he's successfully resisted Trump mania.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-romney/romney-potential-u-s-secretary-of-state-hails-trump-after-dinner-idUSKBN13P0A7

Romney was a vocal critic of Trump....until Trump considered him for Secretary of State. Then, he had nothing but praises for Trump.

Yeah, yeah, I know: kudos for turning on Trump for trying to upend democracy.

@sh76 said
You're thinking of Rand Paul.

Ron was his father. He was an uber-libertarian who would run for the GOP nomination every 4 years and his followers would come out of the woodwork to demand that the Fed be audited, isolationist foreign policy and to tell the truth about the Moon landing.





(okay, I made the last one up... sue me)

You're right...........My mistake.....
Pop is better than son..........

@vivify said
What political figures or pundits of the opposite political spectrum from you do you respect? For conservatives, I mean other than the obvious, like Sinema, Manchin or Lieberman.

For me, definitely Ron Paul.

Also, Krystal Ball, an anchor for The Hill.

krystal ball is not conservative what are you talking about 😀 ? Also, you're a bit behind on info, she left the Hill./

Other than a sort of consistent anti-war stance what is there to respect about Ron Paul? The man is a huge hypocrite. EDIT: I also made the mistake of confusing Ron with Rand. Disregard this.

"For conservatives, I mean other than the obvious, like Sinema, Manchin or Lieberman."
I also don't understand this. Those three are conservatives why would they qualify for this exercise?

@wildgrass said
I don't know what side I'm on anymore. I enjoy the conservative opinion columns of Bill Kristol and David Brooks. I still do, but those guys are no longer considered conservative.

Yes, they are, just not TRUMPISTS...........

@jimm619 said
Liz Cheney

She stopped short of actively supporting an attempted coup

This is the low bar we're holding conservatives to in the US?

Did you all forget she voted like 90% of the time with Trump?