Saddam is dead

Originally posted by wedgehead2
Well he was in US custody up to the moment he was killed, and the trial was not a fair one- when the judge was looking partly sympathetic towards him they replaced him with another one.
It was a show trial- worthy of Stalin.
If we wanted democracy in Iraq, why didn't we help the Iraqi people during the uprising after the first Gulf war? There are many muderous dictators, why did we choose Saddam, and why now?
The answer, of course, is oil.

Cummon enough with the oil thing. If it was for oil why is gas going up not down. The oil resources are for the restructure of Iraq nothing else. The reason we didn't take the tyrant out the first time was the UN wanted the withdraw for we were only there to free another country from his tyrant ways. If it were for the oil we would have done it then!!
The reason we are doing it now is we have a Pres that doesn't care about whos toes we step on we need to get the job DONE. What about all the trials he gave to all the people he MURDERED? Sure they wern"t one sided?

Originally posted by torch71
Cummon enough with the oil thing. If it was for oil why is gas going up not down. The oil resources are for the restructure of Iraq nothing else. The reason we didn't take the tyrant out the first time was the UN wanted the withdraw for we were only there to free another country from his tyrant ways. If it were for the oil we would have done it then!!
The r ...[text shortened]... What about all the trials he gave to all the people he MURDERED? Sure they wern"t one sided?

OH thats right they didn"t get trials. HMMM

Originally posted by torch71
OH thats right they didn"t get trials. HMMM

I am not defending him- I'm saying its digsuting atht he wasn't dealt with earlier, and for good reason- before the Kurds were gassed would have been a good time. Are you saying Bush II is more willing to invade other countries tahn his dad? He takes orders form his dad and his dad's old friends.
If the oil resources were going towards reconstructing Iraq, wouldn't there have been some improvement in teh life of Iraqis? In fact, their lives have got worse- the oil money has gone straight to old administration friends like Haliburton, and the lack of money actually getting through to the Iraqi people is one of the many reasons for the civil war now occuring- people are starving and desperate.
The oil is more important now- as oil supplies in america areas, whereas Iraq has the 2nd largest reserves in the world.
You can think "democracy" has something to do with it- look at the democratically elected governments in Palestine and Iran- in reality Bush hates democracy, whatever he might pretend.
Celebrating Saddam's death is pointless, and foolish. More people are dying in Iraq then ever before, and other dictators are racing to get WMD as soon as possible to act as detterant to US agression. The invasion of Iraq has destabilished Iraq, the Middle East, and the world as a whole.

Originally posted by wedgehead2
I am not defending him- I'm saying its digsuting atht he wasn't dealt with earlier, and for good reason- before the Kurds were gassed would have been a good time. Are you saying Bush II is more willing to invade other countries tahn his dad? He takes orders form his dad and his dad's old friends.
If the oil resources were going towards reconstructing Ir ...[text shortened]... . The invasion of Iraq has destabilished Iraq, the Middle East, and the world as a whole.

Wow I am stunned that you would say that they are tyrying to get WMD's to ward off Americas aggression. This is the problem with the world today, everyone wants to be a empath. Was it your countries agression that spurred Hitler? We are trying to keep everyone alive here AND AT PEACE. If America is such a threat, why is it we do not claim other countries as our own. In fact i DO BELEIVE IT IS NOT ONLY AMERICA IN IRAQ NOW IS IT!!!! YES IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM BEFORE THE GASSING OF THE kURDS BUT ITS ALL THAT POLITICAL BULL, WITH THE PEOPLE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT ITS NOT NICE:'(

Originally posted by torch71
Wow I am stunned that you would say that they are tyrying to get WMD's to ward off Americas aggression. This is the problem with the world today, everyone wants to be a empath. Was it your countries agression that spurred Hitler? We are trying to keep everyone alive here AND AT PEACE. If America is such a threat, why is it we do not claim other countries as ...[text shortened]... RDS BUT ITS ALL THAT POLITICAL BULL, WITH THE PEOPLE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT ITS NOT NICE:'(

ISn't it clear to you that North Korea and Iran both want nuclear weapons to stop the US invading? The US invaded Iraq because they knew that they had no WMD- the UN inspectors had proved that, and there were vast untapped reserves of oil.

Originally posted by torch71
Cummon enough with the oil thing. If it was for oil why is gas going up not down. The oil resources are for the restructure of Iraq nothing else. The reason we didn't take the tyrant out the first time was the UN wanted the withdraw for we were only there to free another country from his tyrant ways. If it were for the oil we would have done it then!!
The r ...[text shortened]... What about all the trials he gave to all the people he MURDERED? Sure they wern"t one sided?

Gas prices went up because of the economic situation of the time. The war in Iraq was about gas only in the sense that Saddam was starting to sell oil for euros instead of dollars. We here in the United States would have a tough time if the rest of the world started selling oil for euros as well. That is why there is a lot of speculation that the war was about oil.

Also, food for thought, Iran is also starting to sell oil for euros.

Originally posted by wedgehead2
ISn't it clear to you that North Korea and Iran both want nuclear weapons to stop the US invading? The US invaded Iraq because they knew that they had no WMD- the UN inspectors had proved that, and there were vast untapped reserves of oil.

I think you are a bit off. Iran has mentioned that it wants nuclear power, not weapons. Iran has also mentioned that they are the ones who are going to commit genocide on the Isrealis. I doubt it has much to do with us if in fact they are seeking nuclear weapons.

North Korea has many other problems besides the US. China and South Korea being a big part of that.

Originally posted by torch71
Wow I am stunned that you would say that they are tyrying to get WMD's to ward off Americas aggression. This is the problem with the world today, everyone wants to be a empath. Was it your countries agression that spurred Hitler? We are trying to keep everyone alive here AND AT PEACE. If America is such a threat, why is it we do not claim other countries as ...[text shortened]... RDS BUT ITS ALL THAT POLITICAL BULL, WITH THE PEOPLE SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT ITS NOT NICE:'(

Well, we have in fact claimed countries as our own. Does Panama ring a bell? What about Cuba? Our colonialistic nature is well documented.

Originally posted by wedgehead2
I am not defending him- I'm saying its digsuting atht he wasn't dealt with earlier, and for good reason- before the Kurds were gassed would have been a good time. Are you saying Bush II is more willing to invade other countries tahn his dad? He takes orders form his dad and his dad's old friends.

Can you even prove that? If not, you probably shouldn't say it like it is true.

Originally posted by Draxus
I think you are a bit off. Iran has mentioned that it wants nuclear power, not weapons. Iran has also mentioned that they are the ones who are going to commit genocide on the Isrealis. I doubt it has much to do with us if in fact they are seeking nuclear weapons.

North Korea has many other problems besides the US. China and South Korea being a big part of that.

Iran voted in the crazy guy whose in partly because of the fear that after Iraq, they might be next. Israel is also in existance partly due in quite a large part due to teh military and economic assisatnce they get from the US, which deosn't do much to propel a positive image of the US in the region.
North Korea is allies with China- they are the ones sustaining it. South Korea would never attack the north, as the capital of SOuth Korea is in range of North Korean artillery. The worry for the North Korean regime is a quick invasion by US forces- the nuclear threat is an effetive detterant to the US. Unlucky for Saddam he didn' realise, other wise he might have made some WMD.

Originally posted by Draxus
Can you even prove that? If not, you probably shouldn't say it like it is true.

Which bit do you want me to prove? The similarity between Bush Senior and Bush Junior's cabinets? The fact Bush I is the only ex-presidnet who opted to use his Presidental right get confidental reports from the Pentagon, and is in communictaion with his son on a regular basis?

Originally posted by wedgehead2
Iran voted in the crazy guy whose in partly because of the fear that after Iraq, they might be next. Israel is also in existance partly due in quite a large part due to teh military and economic assisatnce they get from the US, which deosn't do much to propel a positive image of the US in the region.
North Korea is allies with China- they are the ones s ...[text shortened]... terant to the US. Unlucky for Saddam he didn' realise, other wise he might have made some WMD.

I probably had my info wrong on North Korea, you make a good point (although I would still fear China, ally or not hehe).

However, it really is only speculation that they voted the crazy dude in because they were afraid of the US. I could easily counter with the idea that they voted for him because he is a religious nutjob and back it up with the fact that we here in the US seem to vote based on religion. I don't have evidence to show that though 🙂

I don't understand how mentioning that Israel is in existence because of the US helps the argument that they are building nukes to protect against an impending US invasion. Perhaps you could clarify?

Originally posted by Draxus
I probably had my info wrong on North Korea, you make a good point (although I would still fear China, ally or not hehe).

However, it really is only speculation that they voted the crazy dude in because they were afraid of the US. I could easily counter with the idea that they voted for him because he is a religious nutjob and back it up with the fact tha ...[text shortened]... ey are building nukes to protect against an impending US invasion. Perhaps you could clarify?

It was more about the generally feeling of anti-americanism in the country, and the region as a whole.

Originally posted by wedgehead2
Which bit do you want me to prove? The similarity between Bush Senior and Bush Junior's cabinets? The fact Bush I is the only ex-presidnet who opted to use his Presidental right get confidental reports from the Pentagon, and is in communictaion with his son on a regular basis?

Hell, I would get secret CIA briefings if I could, it would be interesting. It doesn't mean that I am a player on any major stage of politics. I also communicate with my dad frequently, but it doesn't mean he has anything to do with my job.

Yes, despite your categorizing of "proofs" I would that statement to come with some sort of backup. It is bad form to claim something like that without providing necessary evidence as it is obviously an outlandish statement.

Originally posted by Draxus
Hell, I would get secret CIA briefings if I could, it would be interesting. It doesn't mean that I am a player on any major stage of politics. I also communicate with my dad frequently, but it doesn't mean he has anything to do with my job.

Yes, despite your categorizing of "proofs" I would that statement to come with some sort of backup. It is bad form ...[text shortened]... g like that without providing necessary evidence as it is obviously an outlandish statement.

The bit about his dad or his dad's friends?