@shavixmir said“ It's the modern-day version of a siege (slow tactic with fewer casualties to one's own army). ”
It's not really as civilised as you make out.
It's the modern-day version of a siege (slow tactic with fewer casualties to one's own army).
It is more agreeable to bombing, but it's still targetting civilians.
No that 30 mile column of tanks surrounding Kyiv is the modern day version of a siege, unbelievable 🙄
15 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidwhat specifically are you talking about
Someone has to say it. They are not going to hurt Russian oligarchs. Sanctions are to hurt the common people of a country so they take it out on their government.
Why are we targeting innocent civilians and fooling ourselves into thinking it hurts their leaders? It only hurts their leaders if they are overthrown, but I don't see much of that happening to the countries that are being heavily sanctioned.
15 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidWhat is the purpose of a siege?
Well that’s a very dramatic interpretation to say the least. Russia isn’t some third world country trying to eke out a living on marginal land. It’s one of the biggest wheat growers on the planet with plentiful natural resources and more than enough capacity for making its own medicines etc. If the Russian people go in any way hungry due to these sanctions it’s because the P ...[text shortened]... he suffering of the Ukrainian people that you think it’s is somehow analogous with being sanctioned.
Hence that sanctions are the modern equivillent. Or however you spell that word…
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@metal-brain saidYou really haven't a clue, do you.
Someone has to say it. They are not going to hurt Russian oligarchs. Sanctions are to hurt the common people of a country so they take it out on their government.
Why are we targeting innocent civilians and fooling ourselves into thinking it hurts their leaders? It only hurts their leaders if they are overthrown, but I don't see much of that happening to the countries that are being heavily sanctioned.
They asked, Willie 'The Actor,' Sutton,
the great bank robber, 'why a man of your
intelligence and abilities, chose to rob banks'?
''That's where they keep the money,'' Willie replied.
15 Mar 22
@shavixmir saidI don’t know how you spell it either but I would say sanctions are more analogous with being ex communicated. Whilst what Putin is doing to Kyiv and other cities are very similar to what the Crusader army did to Muslim held Jerusalem.
What is the purpose of a siege?
Hence that sanctions are the modern equivillent. Or however you spell that word…
For a large resource filled country like Russia sanctions are purely an economic weapon that they will circumvent in time out if necessity.
I would say that the sanctions levelled against Saddam Hussain’s Iraq in the lead up to the 1st Iraq war were very much like a siege because they deprived the population of the basic necessities of life like food and medicine.
16 Mar 22
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@metal-brain saidare you actually retarded?
What specifically are you asking about?
i don't fukin know. that's why i am asking. you made a generic claim that santions target civilians. What sanctions specifically
17 Mar 22
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Smooth move COMRADE, evading answering the question with a question. Putin's boat just got seized by the Italian government, 3/4th of a BILLION dollar yacht Putin won't get to use now. That MUST pizz you off bigtime to see your mentor Putin in trouble.
18 Mar 22
@sonhouse saidI don't care about Putin. I care about all the innocent people dying in Ukraine that should not be dying. Biden wanted to use them as pawns in his proxy war though. He wasn't interested in avoiding war. He wanted this to happen.
@Metal-Brain
Smooth move COMRADE, evading answering the question with a question. Putin's boat just got seized by the Italian government, 3/4th of a BILLION dollar yacht Putin won't get to use now. That MUST pizz you off bigtime to see your mentor Putin in trouble.
Biden did not negotiate. Saying no to everything is not a negotiation. That is not an effort to avoid war.
@metal-brain saidStop lying Putin knew full well that Ukraine wasn’t getting NATO membership and that he would have plenty of warning if they were.
I don't care about Putin. I care about all the innocent people dying in Ukraine that should not be dying. Biden wanted to use them as pawns in his proxy war though. He wasn't interested in avoiding war. He wanted this to happen.
Biden did not negotiate. Saying no to everything is not a negotiation. That is not an effort to avoid war.
This war is about Putin establishing ownership of Eastern and Central Europe he pretended to negotiate whilst preparing for the invasion he had decided on years ago.
You make the same mistake as your boss, the vast majority of people are just not that stupid.
18 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidStop lying. Ukraine's seeking NATO membership is a major reason why he invaded Ukraine. NATO expansion has always been a sore spot with them.
Stop lying Putin knew full well that Ukraine wasn’t getting NATO membership and that he would have plenty of warning if they were.
This war is about Putin establishing ownership of Eastern and Central Europe he pretended to negotiate whilst preparing for the invasion he had decided on years ago.
You make the same mistake as your boss, the vast majority of people are just not that stupid.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
https://globalnews.ca/news/8448468/putin-ukraine-nato/
You could not be more wrong.
18 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidLiar everyone in the real world including Putin and NATO knew Ukraine was never going to get the unanimous 30 nods it would need to gain NATO membership.
Stop lying. Ukraine's seeking NATO membership is a major reason why he invaded Ukraine. NATO expansion has always been a sore spot with them.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer
https://globalnews.ca/news/8448468/putin-ukraine-nato/
You could not be more wrong.
This is about westward Muscovite expansion, problem for Putin is he’s not dealing with poorly armed civilians in Aleppo or Grozny and no matter how much he shells the cities there will be a very well armed insurgency waiting to greet him when he finally gets into the city's.
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18 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidPunishment is all about crippling the economy.
Someone has to say it. They are not going to hurt Russian oligarchs. Sanctions are to hurt the common people of a country so they take it out on their government.
Why are we targeting innocent civilians and fooling ourselves into thinking it hurts their leaders? It only hurts their leaders if they are overthrown, but I don't see much of that happening to the countries that are being heavily sanctioned.
These powerful men hold sway in Putin's government,
''........ya' cut off the head and the body dies......''
18 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidYou are lying and I am calling you on it.
Liar everyone in the real world including Putin and NATO knew Ukraine was never going to get the unanimous 30 nods it would need to gain NATO membership.
This is about westward Muscovite expansion, problem for Putin is he’s not dealing with poorly armed civilians in Aleppo or Grozny and no matter how much he shells the cities there will be a very well armed insurgency waiting to greet him when he finally gets into the city's.
Provide your source.