19 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidShove it where the sun don’t shine you pathological fascist liar.
You are lying and I am calling you on it.
Provide your source.
You need proof that Ukraine is not and was not getting to join NATO! you need to get your head out of the conspiracy website and Russian fake news outlets.
I’m not posting to convince you of anything you are immune from reality. Anyone reading this who isn’t a halfwit will know I’m correct. Your lies are so blatant and your denial so complete that I stopped actually debating you a long time ago.
20 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidYou are projecting again. Everything you said to me applies to you. Russia has always had a problem with post cold war NATO expansion. Common knowledge. One of Russia's demands in peace talks is a legally binding pledge Ukraine will not be in NATO. Any moron can look it up and see you are as wrong as wrong can be.
Shove it where the sun don’t shine you pathological fascist liar.
You need proof that Ukraine is not and was not getting to join NATO! you need to get your head out of the conspiracy website and Russian fake news outlets.
I’m not posting to convince you of anything you are immune from reality. Anyone reading this who isn’t a halfwit will know I’m correct. Your lies are so blatant and your denial so complete that I stopped actually debating you a long time ago.
What is the source of this propaganda you fell for? Joining NATO is a lengthy process. Sometimes taking over 20 years to finally get accepted. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
"The Ukrainian Parliament adopted legislation in 2017 reinstating NATO membership as the country's objective, with amendments later made to the Constitution."
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/02/18/how-do-you-join-nato-and-how-close-is-ukraine-to-becoming-a-member
That proves Ukraine is seeking NATO membership. Here is another quote proving that has not changed.
"Current President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reiterated this month that Ukraine's intention to become a member is "enshrined in the constitution (and) it remains unchanged"
And here is another excerpt showing the acceptance of the idea.
"At the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest, the alliance welcomed Ukraine and Georgia’s aspirations for membership in the alliance and agreed that "these countries will become members of NATO"
There you go making a fool of yourself again.
20 Mar 22
"The sanctions against Russia are getting more and more outrageous," Le said at security forum in Beijing, adding that Russian citizens were being deprived of overseas assets "for no reason".
"History has proven time and again that sanctions cannot solve problems. Sanctions will only harm ordinary people, impact the economic and financial system... and worsen the global economy."
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-19/chinese-official-calls-sanctions-on-russia-increasingly-outrageous
20 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidsome do. some don't. some hurt Russia's ability to conduct war. some hurt civilians.
Do you really think sanctions hurt oligarchs?
I know there are all these kinds of sanctions. You don't?
so i ask again. What sanctions did you have in mind that hurt civilians.
20 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidWhat demand from Russia did Biden said no to and is that a justification to invade a country? The way you go on about is that Russia had no choice but to invade.
I don't care about Putin. I care about all the innocent people dying in Ukraine that should not be dying. Biden wanted to use them as pawns in his proxy war though. He wasn't interested in avoiding war. He wanted this to happen.
Biden did not negotiate. Saying no to everything is not a negotiation. That is not an effort to avoid war.
22 Mar 22
@zahlanzi saidA halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine. If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would you be okay with that? Russia's survival as a nation is at stake.
What demand from Russia did Biden said no to and is that a justification to invade a country? The way you go on about is that Russia had no choice but to invade.
The USA could not even tolerate a socialist country in central America. Reagan said they were going to come up through Mexico and attack us. That was his reason to arm the Contras fueling a civil war.
Reagan felt he didn't have a choice either. Do you see the hypocrisy? Nicaragua doesn't even border the USA like Ukraine does Russia. What do you think would happen if Russia pulled off a coup and turned Mexico into a puppet of Russia? The USA would invade Mexico. That is what would happen.
30 Mar 22
After saying Putin cannot remain in power they now say regime change is not policy, yet that is the whole purpose of sanctions.
https://rumble.com/vywrmp-biden-calls-for-regime-change-in-russia.html
Sanctions target civilians so they will overthrow their leader. Right?
All you have to do is ask Biden what sanctions are supposed to accomplish. He can either admit it is regime change or lie.
30 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidHahaha if Le of Beijing isn’t happy we must have them spot on, China openly encouraged Putin in its escapade so he can go hump himself.
"The sanctions against Russia are getting more and more outrageous," Le said at security forum in Beijing, adding that Russian citizens were being deprived of overseas assets "for no reason".
"History has proven time and again that sanctions cannot solve problems. Sanctions will only harm ordinary people, impact the economic and financial system... and worsen the globa ...[text shortened]... om/news/world/articles/2022-03-19/chinese-official-calls-sanctions-on-russia-increasingly-outrageous
30 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidThese ones are more about not bankrolling a corrupt undemocratic regime. I hope it’s the start of the West foregoing economic considerations for moral ones, but I’m not holding my breath until I see signs of us decoupling from the cheap labour market in China.
After saying Putin cannot remain in power they now say regime change is not policy, yet that is the whole purpose of sanctions.
https://rumble.com/vywrmp-biden-calls-for-regime-change-in-russia.html
Sanctions target civilians so they will overthrow their leader. Right?
All you have to do is ask Biden what sanctions are supposed to accomplish. He can either admit it is regime change or lie.
30 Mar 22
@metal-brain said“A halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine. If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would you be okay with that? Russia's survival as a nation is at stake. “
A halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine. If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would you be okay with that? Russia's survival as a nation is at stake.
The USA could not even tolerate a socialist country in central America. Reagan said they were going to come up through Mexico and attack us. That was his reason to arm the Contras fueling ...[text shortened]... p and turned Mexico into a puppet of Russia? The USA would invade Mexico. That is what would happen.
If the Baltic states or Poland decided to join the Russian federation do you seriously think NATO would invade them?
NATO is a group of Nations that have freely applied to join a defensive alliance, Russia has to strong arm and threaten its neighbours into pledging allegiance as a vassal state.
30 Mar 22
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@metal-brain said"A halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine."
A halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine. If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would you be okay with that? Russia's survival as a nation is at stake.
The USA could not even tolerate a socialist country in central America. Reagan said they were going to come up through Mexico and attack us. That was his reason to arm the Contras fueling ...[text shortened]... p and turned Mexico into a puppet of Russia? The USA would invade Mexico. That is what would happen.
Zelensky only expressed a wish to join. At some point. Ukraine wasn't joining Nato for another 10 years. Russia is already bordering Nato members. Sweeden and Finland are now considering joining Nato as well, do you think Putin will invade them too?
"If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would you be okay with that? "
if it's done peacefully, sure. I was already bordering Ukraine when it was pro Russia.
"The USA could not even tolerate a socialist country in central America. Reagan said they were going to come up through Mexico and attack us. That was his reason to arm the Contras fueling a civil war."
And was it a real reason? Or just like Putin's Nato expansion concern, an excuse for something else?
"What do you think would happen if Russia pulled off a coup and turned Mexico into a puppet of Russia? The USA would invade Mexico. That is what would happen."
We already know the Us invades other countries illegally. That's nothing new. Doesn't make it right. Putin just thought he could do what the US does with a fraction of Us military and economic power
He thought Zelensky would run and he will be installing a puppet regime in like a week. He didn't account for russian corruption, ukrainian stubbornness, he vastly overestimated his propaganda machine and the west united.
Edit: Nobody told him that because Russia is not a democracy, he is a dictator and everyone was scared to tell him the truth.
Also, it seems people care if it's not brown people getting invaded, who would have thought
30 Mar 22
@zahlanzi saidI do not disagree with anything in your post, not even the last line in general.
"A halt to NATO expansion to Ukraine."
Zelensky only expressed a wish to join. At some point. Ukraine wasn't joining Nato for another 10 years. Russia is already bordering Nato members. Sweeden and Finland are now considering joining Nato as well, do you think Putin will invade them too?
"If the soviet block countries expanded west the way NATO is expanding east would yo ...[text shortened]... e and the west united.
Seems people care if it's not brown people invaded, who would have thought
But I think for Europeans and especially for central and Eastern Europeans Russian aggressive expansionism is perceived as an actual physical threat. I’m not sure I care more about white South Africans than I do brown South Africans whilst not wishing either any harm but I probably do care more about what happens in Europe than some far flung place and I’d probably care even more if the Russian navy started massing in the English Channel.
Clearly the people of India and China didn’t have much empathy for the plight of the white Ukrainians.
30 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 said"But I think for Europeans and especially for central and Eastern Europeans Russian aggressive expansionism is perceived as an actual physical threat"
I do not disagree with anything in your post, not even the last line in general.
But I think for Europeans and especially for central and Eastern Europeans Russian aggressive expansionism is perceived as an actual physical threat. I’m not sure I care more about white South Africans than I do brown South Africans whilst not wishing either any harm but I probably do care more ...[text shortened]... early the people of India and China didn’t have much empathy for the plight of the white Ukrainians.
Yes, to be fair, that is also a factor. A country invaded by a nuclear power a stone throw away from your own makes one nervous they could be next.
30 Mar 22
@zahlanzi saidCertainly has me on the edge of my seat and I’m an Olympian stones throw away. I think a lot of Europeans feel that way and hopefully we will develop a higher level of empathy for the next bunch of civilian targets regardless of where they are.
"But I think for Europeans and especially for central and Eastern Europeans Russian aggressive expansionism is perceived as an actual physical threat"
Yes, to be fair, that is also a factor. A country invaded by a nuclear power a stone throw away from your own makes one nervous they could be next.