Originally posted by sh76What is it that motivates you to embrace the whodey take on this? I understand and respect your take. But why would you come to whodey's rescue? Is it just a spectrum thing? Is it just partisan thing? Gut feeling? Is it just "...sports"? From where I am, whodey [and Seitse] are an embarrassment to you, equivalent to how bad 'living in a cave' is. Why do you accept being stuck in the corner with the whodeys of this world? Is not your moral, principled, political, historical position worth something more than something that involves joining up with the likes of the deceitful, small minded, swallow-anything whodey?
I think this is essentially what whodey is trying to say, though perhaps he could use a bit of help in doing so.
Originally posted by whodeySo this affects your perspective of innocent untermenschen civilian deaths in their hundreds of thousands in Leningrad? To get back to the OP... Does humanity have difficulty perceiving the scale of tragedies? The "scale" of what happened at Leningrad was somehow diminished because you think its victims were "evil"... by association? Talk us through your perception. Please.
What I am saying is that the world view of the Stalinist regime was that it was "evil" by in large.
Originally posted by whodeyWhat does the Middle East have to do with the siege of Leningrad?
I would say that this is the view of the US in the Middle East. Sure they may have a little sympathy for some catastrophy that they may edure but by in large they would probably be dancing in the streets. This is because they have baught into the view that the US is an evil empire.
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Originally posted by FMFOne might also ask what motivates you to continually engage and draw out one who's opinion you so disdain.
What is it that motivates you to embrace the whodey take on this? I understand and respect your take. But why would you come to whodey's rescue? Is it just a spectrum thing? Is it just partisan thing? Gut feeling? Is it just "...sports"? From where I am, whodey [and Seitse] are an embarrassment to you, equivalent to how bad 'living in a cave' is. Why do y ...[text shortened]... involves joining up with the likes of the deceitful, small minded, swallow-anything whodey?
...talk us through your comparison of "Muslims dancing in the streets when the Twin Towers go down in New York City" and the siege of Leningrad. - FMF
Talk us through how the siege of Leningrad was "sportsman like". - FMF
I'm going with "sports." 🙂
Originally posted by SleepyguyWhodey has called me an anti-semite, several times. Are you?
One might also ask what motivates you to continually engage and draw out one who's opinion you so disdain.
...talk us through your comparison of "Muslims dancing in the streets when the Twin Towers go down in New York City" and the siege of Leningrad. - FMF
Talk us through how the siege of Leningrad was "sportsman like". - FMF
I'm going with "sports." 🙂
Originally posted by Bosse de NageGood book, although there are countless other good books on Leningrad, Stalingrad and other WW2 battles by Russian authors.
Should you wish to be crushed by the steamroller that is the memory of Soviet and other suffering in WW2, I recommend Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman.
Originally posted by SleepyguyWhodey compares 9/11 to Leningrad; whodey says Leningrad was "sportsman like"... and you say it's ME who is treating human tragedy as "sports". Me? How does that work?
...talk us through your comparison of "Muslims dancing in the streets when the Twin Towers go down in New York City" and the siege of Leningrad. - FMF, Talk us through how the siege of Leningrad was "sportsman like". - FMF
I'm going with "sports." 🙂
Originally posted by FMF1) It's only overlooked in the countries where popular media intentionally wishes to withhold or diminish its coverage.
From a book review: [b]"The Nazi siege of Leningrad from 1941 to 1943, during which time the city was cut off from the rest of the world, was one of the most gruesome episodes of World War II. In scale, the tragedy of Leningrad dwarfs even the Warsaw ghetto or Hiroshima."
Why is the siege of Leningrad so often overlooked?
Does humanity have diff ...[text shortened]... es modern global round the clock competitive media coverage affect both perception and memory?[/b]
2) Humanity, by and large, depends on its media outlets to perceive the scale of tragedies.
3) Mostly negatively, since it allows to magnify selective events.
Originally posted by FMFNo no no. Geez. I'm only saying, rather tongue-in-cheek-like, that you seem to enjoy making a sport out of picking whodey apart. Chill dude.
Whodey compares 9/11 to Leningrad; whodey says Leningrad was "sportsman like"... and you say it's ME who is treating human tragedy as "sports". Me? How does that work?