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@averagejoe1 said
Handle this. A coal miner can become a real estate agent, show someone a $2M house while he is sitting in his car, and pocket 7% commission, which is $140K. This is the nature of opportunity, which does not exist in some of your various countries. Or, OR, he can elect to mine coal. Choice.
I swear, this is true. My legal secretary of many years said, hell, I ca ...[text shortened]... o (something) being unjust? I dont see it in your post. Who unjust-ed who??
Give it up, Shav.
Right so people do not get rich because they work harder than others, I’m glad we finally agree on this one. Of course unfettered capitalism favours the opportunistic types but then so does organised and unorganised crime.

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@averagejoe1 said
But, capitalism in the USA does have rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment, and the public. So don’t get your point
Republicans consistently want to do away with regulations and worker rights like unionization. The main cause of the recent train wreak and chemical spill was due to deregulation under Trump.

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@phranny said
Republicans consistently want to do away with regulations and worker rights like unionization. The main cause of the recent train wreak and chemical spill was due to deregulation under Trump.
As Marauder always says, (regarding it being fault of Trump deregulation ), Link Please.
And please, no lib opinions. We like facts over here.

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@kevcvs57 said
Right so people do not get rich because they work harder than others, I’m glad we finally agree on this one. Of course unfettered capitalism favours the opportunistic types but then so does organised and unorganised crime.
What in the WORLD do you mean by opportunistic types, pray tell? You mean like my secretary, normal working America, who saw an opportunity and is making a lot money now as a lawyer? (oops, sorry to distract you by putting money and lawyer in the same sentence.)

Edit: There was a secretary at the next desk who, last I checked, is still sitting there. Prob earning $80k/yr. For 4 years working as a secretary. Did not decide nto grab any opportunities. Gosh, she should go to the government and get some money, and may end up with more than the lawyer lady. And then start carrying posters about getting money from the rich!

Kev, Kev, whatever are we going to do with you

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@phranny said
The "Free Market" is not free. Markets need infrastructure which is paid for through taxation. The first taxation dates back 4500 years ago in Mesopotamia. Unfettered capitalism exists nowhere. Capitalism depends on competition. Monopolies destroy capitalism. Capitalism needs rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment and the public. Unfettered, capitalism lea ...[text shortened]... s to environmental destruction, slave wages, and dangerous products and services sold to the public.
You've thrown up 10 different subjects, each one has been done to death and could have a thread of it's own, some of your 'points' don't even make sense, people were murdered 4500 years ago, that doesn't majically make murder alright now.

It's an old and obvious tactic, i.e. the scatter gun post.

So for now, and because I was responding to shag doody, and we were discussing values, and there was a general specific topic, and for the benefit of phanny, in the context of making sense, by free market I mean a market free from artificial price controls.

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@mghrn55 said
It should also be mentioned that under Communism, authorities banned religion.
That has got to get under the skin of Evangelical voter bases everywhere.

What qualifies what people get paid for what they do is not always relevant when market forces kick in.
Basketball players getting $50 million per year is not just based on ability.
And.if you want to venture into the ridiculous, I won't bother trying to figure out why Sean Hannity gets $40M per year from FOX.
I will never understand for the life of me while y'all spend so much time on how much money a guy makes. I just don't see what it has to do with you. I mean, a basketball ticket may be $50, so a crowd of 50,000 will spend $2.5M. Is it OK with you if the players, who drew all these people in, make a bucketload of money for entertaining people who have been in the coal mines all day? It seems to be OK with the folks who paid the $50. What should happen to the money, the 2.5?

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I think the liberal consensus is to distribute the money all over the place, to not let the players keep it.,
Will the players just stay home next week? Why play? So, no more basketball for the coal miners. I just do not get your logic, liberal posters.

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@averagejoe1 said
As Marauder always says, (regarding it being fault of Trump deregulation ), Link Please.
And please, no lib opinions. We like facts over here.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f

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@wajoma said
You've thrown up 10 different subjects, each one has been done to death and could have a thread of it's own, some of your 'points' don't even make sense, people were murdered 4500 years ago, that doesn't majically make murder alright now.

It's an old and obvious tactic, i.e. the scatter gun post.

So for now, and because I was responding to shag doody, and we were discu ...[text shortened]... in the context of making sense, by free market I mean a market free from artificial price controls.
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.

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@phranny said
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
AvJoe agrees. We have a consensus!

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@phranny said
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
Phanny:

"When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research..."

= not capitalism.

The solution is: more capitalism, less socialism in the example you just cited. The goobermint money allowed, enabled, promoted the mega drug corps to become bigger, stifling all the smaller players. And of course with the goobermint money comes goobermint ties.

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first to be bought and sold are the legislators." P J O'Rourke

When the pollies have less to sell (less power) so there will be less reason to buy them. The problem was giving them millions to begin with, your solution of the state taking control after giving them millions is socialism in anyone's book.

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@wajoma said
Phanny:

"When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research..."

= not capitalism.

The solution is: more capitalism, less socialism in the example you just cited. The goobermint money allowed, enabled, promoted the mega drug corps to become bigger, stifling all the smaller players. And of course w ...[text shortened]... your solution of the state taking control after giving them millions is socialism in anyone's book.
All correct. My agreement with Phranny above is that price gouging should fall under some serious consequences at some point. But ONLY if the government is involved with funding, as Phranny suggests.
If I invent the cure for aids and y'all flock to my door to buy some, I can gouge, it is no one's business what I charge. I charge whatever I want to. If the government had paid for my research, then, alas, the govt would have a say-so. This is common sense, but then, libs do not get common sense.

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@phranny said
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
He is in effect saying, when the dust settled, that the govt had a big hand in creating the result of the research. So, they have a say so in the marketing of the drug.
Soooooo simple. Why do libs not get it? I guess they are too busy digging through some rich guy's trash!! 😆 😆

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@averagejoe1 said
But, capitalism in the USA does have rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment, and the public. So don’t get your point
So like the Ohio toxic burning train, is just an anomaly?

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@kmax87 said
So like the Ohio toxic burning train, is just an anomaly?
You're being a little cryptic here, are you saying these types of disasters don't happen in socialist states and with state owned Co's?

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