@averagejoe1 saidRight so people do not get rich because they work harder than others, I’m glad we finally agree on this one. Of course unfettered capitalism favours the opportunistic types but then so does organised and unorganised crime.
Handle this. A coal miner can become a real estate agent, show someone a $2M house while he is sitting in his car, and pocket 7% commission, which is $140K. This is the nature of opportunity, which does not exist in some of your various countries. Or, OR, he can elect to mine coal. Choice.
I swear, this is true. My legal secretary of many years said, hell, I ca ...[text shortened]... o (something) being unjust? I dont see it in your post. Who unjust-ed who??
Give it up, Shav.
23 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidRepublicans consistently want to do away with regulations and worker rights like unionization. The main cause of the recent train wreak and chemical spill was due to deregulation under Trump.
But, capitalism in the USA does have rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment, and the public. So don’t get your point
23 Feb 23
@phranny saidAs Marauder always says, (regarding it being fault of Trump deregulation ), Link Please.
Republicans consistently want to do away with regulations and worker rights like unionization. The main cause of the recent train wreak and chemical spill was due to deregulation under Trump.
And please, no lib opinions. We like facts over here.
@kevcvs57 saidWhat in the WORLD do you mean by opportunistic types, pray tell? You mean like my secretary, normal working America, who saw an opportunity and is making a lot money now as a lawyer? (oops, sorry to distract you by putting money and lawyer in the same sentence.)
Right so people do not get rich because they work harder than others, I’m glad we finally agree on this one. Of course unfettered capitalism favours the opportunistic types but then so does organised and unorganised crime.
Edit: There was a secretary at the next desk who, last I checked, is still sitting there. Prob earning $80k/yr. For 4 years working as a secretary. Did not decide nto grab any opportunities. Gosh, she should go to the government and get some money, and may end up with more than the lawyer lady. And then start carrying posters about getting money from the rich!
Kev, Kev, whatever are we going to do with you
@phranny saidYou've thrown up 10 different subjects, each one has been done to death and could have a thread of it's own, some of your 'points' don't even make sense, people were murdered 4500 years ago, that doesn't majically make murder alright now.
The "Free Market" is not free. Markets need infrastructure which is paid for through taxation. The first taxation dates back 4500 years ago in Mesopotamia. Unfettered capitalism exists nowhere. Capitalism depends on competition. Monopolies destroy capitalism. Capitalism needs rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment and the public. Unfettered, capitalism lea ...[text shortened]... s to environmental destruction, slave wages, and dangerous products and services sold to the public.
It's an old and obvious tactic, i.e. the scatter gun post.
So for now, and because I was responding to shag doody, and we were discussing values, and there was a general specific topic, and for the benefit of phanny, in the context of making sense, by free market I mean a market free from artificial price controls.
23 Feb 23
@mghrn55 saidI will never understand for the life of me while y'all spend so much time on how much money a guy makes. I just don't see what it has to do with you. I mean, a basketball ticket may be $50, so a crowd of 50,000 will spend $2.5M. Is it OK with you if the players, who drew all these people in, make a bucketload of money for entertaining people who have been in the coal mines all day? It seems to be OK with the folks who paid the $50. What should happen to the money, the 2.5?
It should also be mentioned that under Communism, authorities banned religion.
That has got to get under the skin of Evangelical voter bases everywhere.
What qualifies what people get paid for what they do is not always relevant when market forces kick in.
Basketball players getting $50 million per year is not just based on ability.
And.if you want to venture into the ridiculous, I won't bother trying to figure out why Sean Hannity gets $40M per year from FOX.
23 Feb 23
@AverageJoe1
I think the liberal consensus is to distribute the money all over the place, to not let the players keep it.,
Will the players just stay home next week? Why play? So, no more basketball for the coal miners. I just do not get your logic, liberal posters.
23 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidhttps://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/ohio-train-derailment-ecp-brake-system-mandate-trump-dot-administration-fact-check/536-d0ad26f7-84b6-4707-bcb1-7dc6e0a9f09f
As Marauder always says, (regarding it being fault of Trump deregulation ), Link Please.
And please, no lib opinions. We like facts over here.
23 Feb 23
@wajoma saidWhen corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
You've thrown up 10 different subjects, each one has been done to death and could have a thread of it's own, some of your 'points' don't even make sense, people were murdered 4500 years ago, that doesn't majically make murder alright now.
It's an old and obvious tactic, i.e. the scatter gun post.
So for now, and because I was responding to shag doody, and we were discu ...[text shortened]... in the context of making sense, by free market I mean a market free from artificial price controls.
@phranny saidPhanny:
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
"When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research..."
= not capitalism.
The solution is: more capitalism, less socialism in the example you just cited. The goobermint money allowed, enabled, promoted the mega drug corps to become bigger, stifling all the smaller players. And of course with the goobermint money comes goobermint ties.
"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first to be bought and sold are the legislators." P J O'Rourke
When the pollies have less to sell (less power) so there will be less reason to buy them. The problem was giving them millions to begin with, your solution of the state taking control after giving them millions is socialism in anyone's book.
24 Feb 23
@wajoma saidAll correct. My agreement with Phranny above is that price gouging should fall under some serious consequences at some point. But ONLY if the government is involved with funding, as Phranny suggests.
Phanny:
"When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research..."
= not capitalism.
The solution is: more capitalism, less socialism in the example you just cited. The goobermint money allowed, enabled, promoted the mega drug corps to become bigger, stifling all the smaller players. And of course w ...[text shortened]... your solution of the state taking control after giving them millions is socialism in anyone's book.
If I invent the cure for aids and y'all flock to my door to buy some, I can gouge, it is no one's business what I charge. I charge whatever I want to. If the government had paid for my research, then, alas, the govt would have a say-so. This is common sense, but then, libs do not get common sense.
@phranny saidHe is in effect saying, when the dust settled, that the govt had a big hand in creating the result of the research. So, they have a say so in the marketing of the drug.
When corporations, for example the pharmaceutical sector, takes millions in tax dollars to support their research, government should prevent price gouging.
Soooooo simple. Why do libs not get it? I guess they are too busy digging through some rich guy's trash!! 😆 😆
24 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidSo like the Ohio toxic burning train, is just an anomaly?
But, capitalism in the USA does have rules and regulations to protect workers, the environment, and the public. So don’t get your point