29 Dec 19
@sh76 saidI am merely offering up some information where the groundwork, observations, testing, testimonies have already been made. The point here is not who can win a discussion thus determining the veracity of the subject matter, but to inform. Do a little research on this, decide for yourself if you are ok with what you find, that's all.
Because your anecdotal observations mean nothing in a debate.
29 Dec 19
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@vmland saidNo, the point here is that you appeared to be offering your personal visual sighting of two aircraft which you, from the ground, assessed their altitude and engine state and presenting this observation as evidence for your ludicrous conspiracy theory. You even said “you personally” as though other people haven’t seen aircraft in the sky before.
I am merely offering up some information where the groundwork, observations, testing, testimonies have already been made. The point here is not who can win a discussion thus determining the veracity of the subject matter, but to inform. Do a little research on this, decide for yourself if you are ok with what you find, that's all.
29 Dec 19
@divegeester saidWell it's things that we come across in our lives, people we talk with, experiences we have, observations and things we read that lead us to believe things in the way we do. If I have not followed your specific protocol for presenting subject matter, my bad. Not trying to win a debate or argument, not trying to impress anyone. I am only offering up something for consideration and trying to awaken some folks to something that is apparent right under our noses yet completely unaware.
No, the point here is that you appeared to be offering your personal visual sighting of two aircraft which you, from the ground, assessed their altitude and engine state and presenting this observation as evidence for your ludicrous conspiracy theory. You even said “you personally” as though other people haven’t seen aircraft in the sky before.
29 Dec 19
@vmland saidConsidering there is no one who seemingly benefits from putting dangerous chemicals in the air, doing so would likely dilute them to harmlessness anyway, it is not even remotely the most effective way to target people for poisoning, and it is exceedingly unlikely no one would have come forward as whistle-blowers by now, the most plausible conclusion is that the whole story is nonsense. Moreover, we have a perfectly plausible, reasonable explanation for contrails: jet engine exhausts contain a large amount of water vapour.
Considering this is worldwide, many nations I would say. Your question begs for a conspiracy theory, who has the wherewithal for such an operation?
29 Dec 19
@vmland saidIt’s a silly conspiracy theory which has been around for years and years. You would do well to see it for what it is and distance your thinking from it.
Well it's things that we come across in our lives, people we talk with, experiences we have, observations and things we read that lead us to believe things in the way we do. If I have not followed your specific protocol for presenting subject matter, my bad. Not trying to win a debate or argument, not trying to impress anyone. I am only offering up something for considerati ...[text shortened]... ing to awaken some folks to something that is apparent right under our noses yet completely unaware.
29 Dec 19
@divegeester saiddivegester,
It’s a silly conspiracy theory which has been around for years and years. You would do well to see it for what it is and distance your thinking from it.
Consider this...
[Encyclopedia Britannica]
https://www.britannica.com/science/geoengineering
[Oxford]
http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/
[Harvard]
https://geoengineering.environment.harvard.edu/geoengineering
Images...
https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/33.png
https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2017/03/Climate-Change-Atmosphere-889x499.jpg
You would do well to see it for what it is and verify for yourself. It is hard I know to not believe what you are seeing, but it is there.
29 Dec 19
@vmland saidGeoengineering is a thing. We all know that.
divegester,
Consider this...
[Encyclopedia Britannica]
https://www.britannica.com/science/geoengineering
[Oxford]
http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/
[Harvard]
https://geoengineering.environment.harvard.edu/geoengineering
Images...
https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/wp-content/uploa ...[text shortened]... is and verify for yourself. It is hard I know to not believe what you are seeing, but it is there.
That it's being done surreptitiously through some massive conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people with some indeterminable nefarious goal is what's extremely unlikely.
29 Dec 19
@kazetnagorra saidAll your assertions are in error.
Considering there is no one who seemingly benefits from putting dangerous chemicals in the air, doing so would likely dilute them to harmlessness anyway, it is not even remotely the most effective way to target people for poisoning, and it is exceedingly unlikely no one would have come forward as whistle-blowers by now, the most plausible conclusion is that the whole sto ...[text shortened]... e, reasonable explanation for contrails: jet engine exhausts contain a large amount of water vapour.
There is someone who benefits, the military industrial complex.
"He who controls the weather controls the world"
It is not harmless, this crazy professor proposes a million tons in aerosols in the atmosphere a year, only it has been going on for years already... pollution if you will. This will results in the death of people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=Rf4N3ylWZt8&feature=emb_logo
Your explanation is not reasonable and not plausible regarding contrails, from where does that come?
Jet engines are turbo fans.
29 Dec 19
@VMLAND
So you know the operating conditions of those two aircraft? You don't know if one was climbing or accelerating and the other cruising so you base your whole argument the governments around the world are poisoning us based on your one example.
So tell me, was the one with contrails at exactly the same altitude? You have access to that kind of data on the aircraft? Maybe you saw the airspeed indicators as well and whether one was climbing or accelerating?
29 Dec 19
@sonhouse saidYour point is moot as it does not change anything.
@VMLAND
So you know the operating conditions of those two aircraft? You don't know if one was climbing or accelerating and the other cruising so you base your whole argument the governments around the world are poisoning us based on your one example.
So tell me, was the one with contrails at exactly the same altitude? You have access to that kind of data on the aircraft? Maybe you saw the airspeed indicators as well and whether one was climbing or accelerating?
30 Dec 19
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@vmland saidThen can you explain why, in this modern day of whistle blowers, why not 1 of the thousand or so involved has come forward?, not 1. I surmise that this is statistically impossible.
Your point is moot as it does not change anything.
Note that I am referring not simply to those involved but to those that would have been approached to become involved and thought, NO I am not going to do THAT.
30 Dec 19
@jimmac saidAre you in denial of what I have provided on the topic?
Then can you explain why, in this modern day of whistle blowers, why not 1 of the thousand or so involved has come forward?, not 1. I surmise that this is statistically impossible.
Note that I am referring not simply to those involved but to those that would have been approached to become involved and thought, NO I am not going to do THAT.
30 Dec 19
@jimmac saidAnd... why do you think there are no whistleblowers? There are many that are speaking out, Air Force, FBI, USDA and others.
Then can you explain why, in this modern day of whistle blowers, why not 1 of the thousand or so involved has come forward?, not 1. I surmise that this is statistically impossible.
Note that I am referring not simply to those involved but to those that would have been approached to become involved and thought, NO I am not going to do THAT.
I thought of providing you links to talks, conferences, etc. about geoengineering but then realized if you were truly interested you could find the information for yourself, it took me 5 min and I found people from all of the above mentioned depts of the government speaking out. You just don’t hear about it and/or want to. For starters who owns the media?