@mott-the-hoople saidTelling someone to resign from a position of great responsibility, a position in which having the public's trust is essential to discharging the duties of the position, is not the same as hanging him. It isn't even a prison sentence. Therein lies your confusion, at least on this single issue.
seems you dont want to talk about proof menendez committed any crimes, you have the rope ready to hang him, just wondering what proof you seen.
Menendez can certainly choose not to resign, but the particulars of the indictment are quite damning, and even if he somehow is technically innocent of any wrongdoing (which I tend to doubt here), there is no real debate that what he is known to have done is highly irregular to say the least.
Try this on for size: do you think Republican Representative George Santos should resign for lying extensively about his past and his credentials?
Or try this: do you think it's ever justified to call for the resignation of a member of Congress who did something irregular, but not technically illegal?
@mott-the-hoople saidYou didn't read the link or indictment, did you?
"alleged"
this is the first I have heard about text messages, you sure you didnt make that up?
"As part of the scheme, MENENDEZ provided sensitive, non-public U.S. government information to Egyptian officials and otherwise took steps to secretly aid the Government of Egypt. For example, in or about May 2018, MENENDEZ provided Egyptian officials with non-public information regarding the number and nationality of persons serving at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt. Although this information was not classified, it was deemed highly sensitive because it could pose significant operational security concerns if disclosed to a foreign government or made public. Without telling his professional staff or the State Department that he was doing so, on or about May 7, 2018, MENENDEZ texted that sensitive, non-public embassy information to his then-girlfriend NADINE MENENDEZ, who forwarded the message to HANA, who forwarded it to an Egyptian government official. Later that same month, MENENDEZ ghost-wrote a letter on behalf of Egypt to other U.S. Senators advocating for them to release a hold on $300 million in aid to Egypt. MENENDEZ sent this ghost-written letter to NADINE MENENDEZ, who forwarded it to HANA, who sent it to Egyptian officials.
At various times between 2018 and 2022, MENENDEZ also conveyed to Egyptian officials, through NADINE MENENDEZ, HANA, and/or DAIBES, that he would approve or remove holds on foreign military financing and sales of military equipment to Egypt in connection with his leadership role on the SFRC. For example, in or about July 2018, following meetings between MENENDEZ and Egyptian officials, which were arranged and attended by NADINE MENENDEZ and HANA, MENENDEZ texted NADINE MENENDEZ that she should tell HANA that MENENDEZ was going to sign off on a multimillion-dollar weapons sale to Egypt. NADINE MENENDEZ forwarded this text to HANA, who forwarded it to two Egyptian officials, one of whom replied with a “thumbs up” emoji. MENENDEZ made similar communications over the ensuing years. For example, in January 2022, MENENDEZ sent NADINE MENENDEZ a link to a news article reporting on two pending foreign military sales to Egypt totaling approximately $2.5 billion. NADINE MENENDEZ forwarded this link to HANA, writing, “Bob had to sign off on this.”
In exchange for MENENDEZ’s agreement to take these and other actions, HANA promised NADINE MENENDEZ payments, including from IS EG Halal Certified, Inc. (“IS EG Halal&rdquo😉, a New Jersey company that HANA operated with financial support and backing from DAIBES.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-senator-robert-menendez-his-wife-and-three-new-jersey-businessmen-charged-bribery
@phranny saidThen Biden will debate? They have him in sneakers now, he may be able to teeter his way to the podium. Funny how his handlers handle him like a poodle at a dog show while our world falls down around us. Does he do anything about aliens, or energy, or inflation? Did he do anything when he visited the auto strike? Did he talk it up and get a rousing crowd like Trump does? Has he EVER done that?
Participating in the debates is not playing games. It gives the public an opportunity to hear unscripted comments from candidates.
@no1marauder saidHis wife, (or female friend?) you got me there. He is innocent of all wrong doing. Was he an accessory, did he drive her there? Why don't we try that one piece of evidence, but it will hard to get a jury from this array!
You do know Hunter didn't throw the gun away, don't you?
@no1marauder saidWith all respects, I am just not following your selective reasoning. Menendez's piles of money, Biden's piles of money.
$480,000 in cash over $100,000 in gold bars sitting around his house plus a lobbyist for the Egyptian government paid his wife's mortgage and numerous texts showing him promising to aid persons who paid him to get government monopolies.
Nothing to see here I guess.
Eenie Meenie Miney Mo.........
Do that on your toes, and tell us which is guilty of something.
@no1marauder saidIt is about bribing, lobbying illegally, and a few other factors that do not bother you Marxists. The phone calls, which, unlike the innocence of the ones Trump made, not that that is relevant, the phone calls which LED to maybe $50M from the chinee, the russians, et al, it is about the 20 accounts, the SARs.
I already said Menendez should resign, idiot.
I still don't see any definitive proof that Joe Biden discussed business with Hunter. And even if he did that's not illegal.
So, again, where's the actual evidence implicating Joe Biden in something illegal?
YOu keep saying like a child 'show me, show me', when any of your lawyer friends will tell you there is a world of discovery and detective work and forensic accounting yet to be done,.... a child because you think they will tell US what they are doing????
Please cool it with the show me. Gets boring. Trust me we will let you know.
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@no1marauder saidyes I did. texts werent in the indictment
You didn't read the link or indictment, did you?
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@no1marauder saidyou show where he sent ONE text message...
"As part of the scheme, MENENDEZ provided sensitive, non-public U.S. government information to Egyptian officials and otherwise took steps to secretly aid the Government of Egypt. For example, in or about May 2018, MENENDEZ provided Egyptian officials with non-public information regarding the number and nationality of persons serving at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt. ...[text shortened]... ov/usao-sdny/pr/us-senator-robert-menendez-his-wife-and-three-new-jersey-businessmen-charged-bribery
but here is what you claimed...
"numerous texts showing him promising to aid persons who paid him to get government monopolies."
see the difference?
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@soothfast saidbut you dont think getting millions, up to 50 million now, from foreign adversaries is a problem?
Telling someone to resign from a position of great responsibility, a position in which having the public's trust is essential to discharging the duties of the position, is not the same as hanging him. It isn't even a prison sentence. Therein lies your confusion, at least on this single issue.
Menendez can certainly choose not to resign, but the particulars of the ind ...[text shortened]... or the resignation of a member of Congress who did something irregular, but not technically illegal?
@mott-the-hoople saidYes, that's exactly what he did. The texts have already been mentioned and Hana operated a monopoly that Menendez sought to protect:
you show where he sent ONE text message...
but here is what you claimed...
"numerous texts showing him promising to aid persons who paid him to get government monopolies."
see the difference?
"However, IS EG Halal had little to no revenue until the spring of 2019, when the Government of Egypt granted IS EG Halal a monopoly on the certification of U.S. food exports to Egypt as compliant with halal standards, despite the fact that neither HANA nor his company had experience with halal certification. The monopoly generated revenue for HANA, through which he paid NADINE MENENDEZ as promised.
Because the monopoly resulted in increased costs for U.S. meat suppliers, in or about April and May 2019, the USDA contacted the Government of Egypt and sought reconsideration of its grant of monopoly rights to IS EG Halal. After being briefed on the USDA’s objections to IS EG Halal’s monopoly by HANA and NADINE MENENDEZ, on May 23, 2019, MENENDEZ called a high-level USDA official (“Official-1&rdquo😉 and insisted that the USDA stop opposing IS EG Halal’s status as sole halal certifier. When Official-1 attempted to explain why the monopoly was detrimental to U.S. interests, MENENDEZ reiterated his demand that the USDA stop interfering with IS EG Halal’s monopoly. Official-1 did not accede to MENENDEZ’s demand, but IS EG Halal nevertheless kept its monopoly.
After financially benefitting from IS EG Halal’s monopoly, HANA, at times with the assistance of DAIBES and URIBE, provided payments and other things of value in furtherance of the scheme. For example, in or about July 2019, after the mortgage company for the residence of NADINE MENENDEZ initiated foreclosure proceedings, HANA caused IS EG Halal to pay approximately $23,000 to bring the mortgage current. HANA did so after a series of discussions with NADINE MENENDEZ, as well as URIBE and DAIBES, about various options for bringing the mortgage current. Later in 2019, HANA and DAIBES caused IS EG Halal to issue three $10,000 checks to NADINE MENENDEZ for a low-or-no-show job. As the scheme continued, including through the additional actions described below, MENENDEZ and NADINE MENENDEZ received additional bribes, including gold and cash."
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-senator-robert-menendez-his-wife-and-three-new-jersey-businessmen-charged-bribery
If you clowns would only bother to read .............................................................
@averagejoe1 saidThe phone calls where Devon Archer said Joe Biden didn't discuss business?
It is about bribing, lobbying illegally, and a few other factors that do not bother you Marxists. The phone calls, which, unlike the innocence of the ones Trump made, not that that is relevant, the phone calls which LED to maybe $50M from the chinee, the russians, et al, it is about the 20 accounts, the SARs.
YOu keep saying like a child 'show me, show me', when any ...[text shortened]... ey are doing????
Please cool it with the show me. Gets boring. Trust me we will let you know.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat "piles of money" has Joe Biden been shown to have gotten by any illegal means?
With all respects, I am just not following your selective reasoning. Menendez's piles of money, Biden's piles of money.
Eenie Meenie Miney Mo.........
Do that on your toes, and tell us which is guilty of something.
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@no1marauder said“The texts have already been mentioned”
Yes, that's exactly what he did. The texts have already been mentioned and Hana operated a monopoly that Menendez sought to protect:
"However, IS EG Halal had little to no revenue until the spring of 2019, when the Government of Egypt granted IS EG Halal a monopoly on the certification of U.S. food exports to Egypt as compliant with halal standards, despite the fact th ...[text shortened]... f you clowns would only bother to read .............................................................
why do you put an (s), when there was only ONE text ?
@no1marauder saidRight, I think those are the 20 or so calls that Devon heard, and said he did not hear any discussion of business. Are you suggesting that those were the only calls between the Father and Son?
The phone calls where Devon Archer said Joe Biden didn't discuss business?