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Originally posted by tojoMore likely your tricycle after they took off your training wheels.
...did we somehow cause that too...? Did nasa accidently fit the Spirit rover with a turbo-charged V8.....? I suppose it is a six-wheeler....
We have to do what we can with what we have. Or perhaps the U.S. should spend all of their resources exploring space, instead of Iraq. The less spent on the social infrastructure, education, social programs, and understanding the problems we face, the more poor people are likely to die faster and younger. They'll breed less. Jonathan Swift would have fun with this idea!
Why don't you just explore space yourself. I understand that flights are being sold as we discuss this. Maybe you could get a few bucks for the training wheels, or even the tricycle that you won't be needing anymore...
What's this aversion to accepting responsibility for anything global about, anyway? Isn't it our planet, by virtue of our species' dominance? Shouldn't we look after it? After you've totally trashed your current quarters, do you just move out and into a new place?
Maybe you should put the training wheels back on your tricyle before you head out to play in the traffic.
Originally posted by widgetWhy do we have to do what we can with what we have? Why not try to get more? Isn't the human spirit meant to be about exploring the unknown, and striving for somehing better? You sit in your damp cave painting stick-mammoths on the walls if you want, just don't be surprised if it gets a bit lonely...
We have to do what we can with what we have. Or perhaps the U.S. should spend all of their resources exploring space, instead of Iraq.
And don't get me started on Iraq..... Of course you should have spent your money on exploring space, instead of bombing the crap out of a foreign country...jeez!
Originally posted by widgetIf the human race had to rely on people like you, we'd still be living in trees, throwing twigs at each other...
So save your shekels and book a flight.
If your "we" includes any of my resources, hands off 'em!
Put your own personal money where your mouth is, in other words.
What are you saving your precious resources for, bombing some more foreigners?
Originally posted by steve645Coral reef? Try just a metallic cloud floating down into the jet stream.
I agree. Look at the International Space station. What goes up, will eventually come down. We can barely keep it supplied, much less in full repair. It will probably be a nice coral reef within 20 years.
Originally posted by tojoOh silly things really - education? intellectual development?
If the human race had to rely on people like you, we'd still be living in trees, throwing twigs at each other... What are you saving your precious resources for, bombing some more foreigners?
Take geography f'r instance... Geography and the sister study of international politics would apparently lead some scots to believe that canadians specialize in bombing foreigners?
Ponder the concept of sustainable resources. Eat more mutton & tatties!
Originally posted by widgetOkay, fair comment. I should have checked your profile before posting.
Oh silly things really - education? intellectual development?
Take geography f'r instance... Geography and the sister study of international politics would apparently lead some scots to believe that canadians specialize in bombing foreigners?
Ponder the concept of sustainable resources. Eat more mutton & tatties!
Let's start this again, going back to the basic premise, the simple question as posted by coi.
'Does the future of humanity lie in space?'
Leaving aside the whole Global Warming scenario, and likely causes...
Leaving aside the issue of eventual overcrowding...
Leaving aside the issue of dwindling (or not) resources...
Definately leaving aside the issue of Iraq (that was more than just going off on a tangent, more like a sharp left turn!)...
Do you never look up at the stars and dream?
Do you really believe the Human Race should be content to sit out the rest of it's existance on this one miniscule lump of rock?
How can we not want to expand out into space? Surely the continued exploration of new realms is part of what makes us Human?
Yes, expand the mind, expand the knowledge of how to make the best use of the resourses on this planet, to avoid destroying it, but you cannot, must not use this as an excuse to limit the Human desire for physical exploration. The drive to go to new places, to discover new things. To take that first step onto virgin lands, to be the first to see the dawn from a new place, to touch something no Human has touched before...
It's this need to expand and explore that has made us what we are, and can make us what he have the potential to become...
There is, quite literally, a whole Universe out there, waiting to be explored. How can we possibly resist?????
'In my own view, the important achievement of Apollo was a demonstration that humanity is not forever chained to this planet, and our visions go rather further than that, and our opportunities are unlimited.'
— Neil Armstrong
Originally posted by tojowell said dude,
Okay, fair comment. I should have checked your profile before posting.
Let's start this again, going back to the basic premise, the simple question as posted by coi.
'Does the future of humanity lie in space?'
Leaving aside the whole Global Warming scenario, and likely causes...
Leaving aside the issue of eventual overcrowding...
Leaving aside the ...[text shortened]... ns go rather further than that, and our opportunities are unlimited.'
— Neil Armstrong
by the way do you eat mutton or was that just a stereotype by the uneducated. Probably while chasing haggis.
when i think of the future i find it hard to imagine a bunch of toga clad guru's sitting in a blissful lonely (boring?!) earthly paradise contemplating their own backsides.
I can imagine a sprawl of our descendants and fellow earth creatures, at all stages of evolution and various points of civilisation throughout the galaxy if not beyond. for good and bad.
Engineering on a system scale using energies to vast for us now.
i see us with alien species, at war and peace.
The list could go on. i see unlimited potential in all directions.
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Originally posted by coiIndeed I do. Nothing but mutton and haggis...
by the way do you eat mutton or was that just a stereotype by the uneducated. Probably while chasing haggis.[/b]
While wearing a kilt...
and dancing a jig...
and tossing the caber...
and splitting heads with a claymore...
and painting myself blue...
and screaming about freedom and such...
and bearing my bum to the sassenachs...
and counting my pennies...
and getting drunk...
...well, okay, I'll give you the last one...!!!🙄
Originally posted by tojoWell said...
Okay, fair comment. I should have checked your profile before posting.
Let's start this again, going back to the basic premise, the simple question as posted by coi.
'Does the future of humanity lie in space?'
Leaving aside the whole Global Warming scenario, and likely causes...
Leaving aside the issue of eventual overcrowding...
Leaving aside the ...[text shortened]... visions go rather further than that, and our opportunities are unlimited.'
— Neil Armstrong
I am not against the exploration of space, the expansion of our universe, the wonder of growing into the future.
First, however, I'd like to see us deal with the mess we have here. Imagine the resources we might have if we collectively tackled this new frontier with all that would be available to us when we've stopped slinging missiles about, dreaming up and fighting vast and expensive acts of terrorism, and feeding armies to secure outrselves from each other's best and plunderous intents.
Having been born in Scotland, myself, I feel qualified in suggesting that we might even find a better national dish than mince & neeps & tatties to feed to the weans.
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Originally posted by coiExactly...
aaww, i think they've hugged and made up. 🙂
i think if we can get into space the recources available to us would mean that we could leave earth's alone.
And we can do that now.
The only way to guarantee the saving of Earth's resources is to find other resources... of course, if you're of a less romantic persuasion, once we've left Earth, does it matter what we leave behind? Except for purely sentimental reasons, of course...
How about we level everything we've built, and let nature take back what we stole from it. Let the whole world turn back to jungle and swamp. That would be the only true 'green' path...
As for widget, while I truly admire your sentiment, I think you overestimate the sociological achievements of the Human Race. Millenia ago, we could be found, shouting 'Ug!' and 'Oook!', while chucking stones at the tribe across the stream. Now, we're shouting 'Infidel!' and 'Heathen!', while chucking bombs half-way round the globe.
The technology may have improved in leaps and bounds, the language less so, but the behaviour, not a jot. Just the distance has improved...
It's a sad truth that we will never stop slinging stones at each other. They will just get bigger and bigger, until we end up hitting ourselves at the same time...
We may be technologically advanced, but we are still cave-men at heart. We still fear strangers, and we always will.
As we become more globally aware, we are not learning to love and understand each other, except in the better understanding of each other's vulnerable spots! I truly fear things will only get a lot worse.
It will take another millenia for us to evolve out of this tribal mindset, but we will have destroyed ourselves well before we reach the next stage. Remember it's only 60 years since the last world war, and we've been close to that stage a couple of times since. There are some who believe the new wave of radicalism, from both east and west, Muslim and Christian (and Jew),is creating another world war, just on a different front.
The only way to avoid this fate is to get out now, while we still can. The technology is almost there, the only real argument can be on the financial resource side. But the answer is there, too... Capitalism!
Forget the Governments spending taxpayer's money. They only waste it all in beaurocracy and petty games of oneupmanship. It's the private companies, already working on this future, who will lead the way...
It's only a matter of time, but do we have the time...?