24 Jan 08
I don't know what the big deal is -- whether President Bush lied or not is immaterial. We have to trot out the troops out every 10 years or so to try out new equipment and practice new tactics. More importantly, where do you think the officers who are going to lead the U.S. Army to liberate Europe again after the Islamists or Russians take over is going to come from? Basically, we've got to season our officers and troops every now and then by letting them see some action.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterin the lead-up to the invasion, many Americans knew that all the Iraq WMD stuff the Bush admin was pushing was suspect- but the supposedly "liberal" media just parroted these same 935 lies without question. Many Americans spoke up about it, but it didn't do any good- Scott Ritter, for example, a former weapons inspector and US Marine had dispelled the Bush admin's claims, but only the non-corporate news carried his articles. Others like Joe Wilson (we forget thet the original controversy wasn't about his wife), contrdicted the Bush admin's claims about Iraq's purchase of uranium from Niger. And of course, the Downing St Memo... For a great many people who were paying attention and applying a critical ear, it was painfully clear that the Bush admin was lying about Iraqi WMDs, but what can you do? protest, write your Rep... or spit into the ocean...
I don't know what the big deal is -- whether President Bush lied or not is immaterial.
what concerns me is that there is an enormous amount of evidence that a US President purposefully lied to the American people to start a war and many people don't care. The Democrats have taken impeachment off the table because they are complicit. The media doesn't want to deal with it because they helped sell the war. The American people won't do anything about it because they're either Pro-Bush and/or blissed out on Dancing with the Stars. or they are marginalized liberals contemplating the futility/honorability of voting for Kucinitch.
either way, active, informed, participatory Democracy is on life-support here in the US.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by smw6869Crystal balls?
I did buy the Nukulear lie, but i did not buy the all out war. We could have taken those sites out with air strikes alone, or let the French do it.
Yes, i was a sucker, but then i don't have any crystal balls to gaze into, as you do.
Iran?....No war with Iran. We'll could just buy them off as we did with N. Korea.
F. GRANNY.
The only balls around my apartment are balls that haven't shot enough of late.
There were various signs, however, in Iraq which led THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD to believe they didn't have any nuclear weapons...
Hence the demonstrations and the lack of a second UN resolution on the matter.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterGod damn you're a tragedy.
I don't know what the big deal is -- whether President Bush lied or not is immaterial. We have to trot out the troops out every 10 years or so to try out new equipment and practice new tactics. More importantly, where do you think the officers who are going to lead the U.S. Army to liberate Europe again after the Islamists or Russians take over i ...[text shortened]... e've got to season our officers and troops every now and then by letting them see some action.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by Darth SpongeYes, and what about the rise in the price of loco weed, Chief?
in the lead-up to the invasion, many Americans knew that all the Iraq WMD stuff the Bush admin was pushing was suspect- but the supposedly "liberal" media just parroted these same 935 lies without question. Many Americans spoke up about it, but it didn't do any good- Scott Ritter, for example, a former weapons inspector and US Marine had dispelled the ...[text shortened]... her way, active, informed, participatory Democracy is on life-support here in the US.
Maybe me should have another revolution. Packing any iron, or just pissing in the wind?
F. GRANNY.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by shavixmir"The only balls around my apartment are balls that haven't shot enough of late."
Crystal balls?
The only balls around my apartment are balls that haven't shot enough of late.
There were various signs, however, in Iraq which led THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD to believe they didn't have any nuclear weapons...
Hence the demonstrations and the lack of a second UN resolution on the matter.
Dear god, i hope they don't cast shadows i may laugh myself to death.
F. GRANNY.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIt certainly does - and I think all of the senators (from both parties) who, despite now knowing that the rationale for the war was a crock, continue throwing money at it with no 'get out' amendments are equally guilty and reprehensible.
This means that Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and any other Democrat who voted for going to war with Iraq have innocent blood on their hands because they could have stopped it! Kinda makes you wonder what they got out of the deal, eh?
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by Darth SpongeFear not -- we don't have a "participatory democracy" in the United States, but rather a Constitutional Republic.
in the lead-up to the invasion, many Americans knew that all the Iraq WMD stuff the Bush admin was pushing was suspect- but the supposedly "liberal" media just parroted these same 935 lies without question. Many Americans spoke up about it, but it didn't do any good- Scott Ritter, for example, a former weapons inspector and US Marine had dispelled the ...[text shortened]... her way, active, informed, participatory Democracy is on life-support here in the US.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAre you saying that tongue in cheek ... or head up ar$e?
I don't know what the big deal is -- whether President Bush lied or not is immaterial. We have to trot out the troops out every 10 years or so to try out new equipment and practice new tactics. More importantly, where do you think the officers who are going to lead the U.S. Army to liberate Europe again after the Islamists or Russians take over i ...[text shortened]... e've got to season our officers and troops every now and then by letting them see some action.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI meant that informed participation in the political process is made difficult by the media's predilection for being Bush Admin's uncritical mouth-peice, compounded by citizen apathy. And then there are people like you who support American Imperial ambitions and want more, apparently believing that the US is better than everyone else and can somehow export the "better" values at gunpoint. I think that history has shown us that Empire and Republic are not compatible. just ask Rome.
Fear not -- we don't have a "participatory democracy" in the United States, but rather a Constitutional Republic.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by Darth SpongeThe media have hardly been the Bush Administration's uncritical mouthpiece, nor is the United States an empire like Rome's. If anything, we have prosecuted this "War on Terror," like a bunch of girl scouts for fear of offending anyone. If we had followed Rome's lead, then we would have burned down our enemy's holy sites, cut off their leader's heads and converted the general populace to Christianity. Too bad we're not more like Rome.
I meant that informed participation in the political process is made difficult by the media's predilection for being Bush Admin's uncritical mouth-peice, compounded by citizen apathy. And then there are people like you who support American Imperial ambitions and want more, apparently believing that the US is better than everyone else and can somehow ex ...[text shortened]... think that history has shown us that Empire and Republic are not compatible. just ask Rome.
Also, the United States has so many domestic enemies that the best course of action now would probably be to bring our troops home and use them on our domestic enemies like the DNC, the Dixie Chicks, Alec Baldwin, etc.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteryou need help...really... I mean it.
The media have hardly been the Bush Administration's uncritical mouthpiece, nor is the United States an empire like Rome's. If anything, we have prosecuted this "War on Terror," like a bunch of girl scouts for fear of offending anyone. If we had followed Rome's lead, then we would have burned down our enemy's holy sites, cut off their leader's he ...[text shortened]... and use them on our domestic enemies like the DNC, the Dixie Chicks, Alec Baldwin, etc.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Rittersadly, you illustrate my point.
The media have hardly been the Bush Administration's uncritical mouthpiece, nor is the United States an empire like Rome's. If anything, we have prosecuted this "War on Terror," like a bunch of girl scouts for fear of offending anyone. If we had followed Rome's lead, then we would have burned down our enemy's holy sites, cut off their leader's he ...[text shortened]... and use them on our domestic enemies like the DNC, the Dixie Chicks, Alec Baldwin, etc.