15 Jan 12
Originally posted by Metal BrainI don't have any idea about this particular scientist nor has any evidence even been established as to who carried out the attack.
Where is the evidence that Iran's nuclear physicists are trying to increase the military capabilities of their government? Just because you don't believe Iran is only trying to pursue a nuclear energy program and do believe they are pursuing a weapons program does not make it so.
You have no evidence. All you have are your baseless suspicions. That is not enough.
This entire thread is based on the theoretical concept. Obviously, I don't have the information necessary to make a judgment regarding the killing of this particular person and whether it was justified. (nor is justification even the issue on this thread)
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76Oppenheimer was not trying to do anything but build an A-bomb.
Absolutely positively NOT.
I can't even see that as being a debatable issue.
Oppenheimer was actively trying to (and did) kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese people on behalf of the United States. Does that make him a bad person? No. But it does make him a soldier.
He did not target anybody. I'm fairly certain that he would have never condoned the killing of so many civilians as the USA government did.
Calling him a soldier is a stretch.
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by Metal BrainWhat did he think that A-bomb was going to be used for? Put in a museum?
Oppenheimer was not trying to do anything but build an A-bomb.
He did not target anybody. I'm fairly certain that he would have never condoned the killing of so many civilians as the USA government did.
Calling him a soldier is a stretch.
15 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76He probably thought it would be used on a military target instead of heavily populated cities. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime, right? Do you consider that terrorism?
What did he think that A-bomb was going to be used for? Put in a museum?
He helped to build it. He didn't have any say so as to how it was used. Our government didn't even trust him. His girlfriend was a communist and their phones were tapped and they were followed everywhere. His being Jewish may not have helped either.
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16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Metal BrainBetter to actually look for a book and be within the same county as truth before you open your choppers. Oppenheimer knew exactly how the bomb would be used - and so did everyone else on each and every side in that war who knowingly worked such a bomb.
He probably thought it would be used on a military target instead of heavily populated cities. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime, right? Do you consider that terrorism?
He helped to build it. He didn't have any say so as to how it was used. Our government didn't even trust him. His girlfriend was a communist and their phones were tapped and they were followed everywhere. His being Jewish may not have helped either.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by TerrierJackSource?
Better to actually look for a book and be within the same county as truth before you open your choppers. Oppenheimer knew exactly how the bomb would be used - and so did everyone else on each and every side in that war who knowingly worked such a bomb.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by TerrierJackAre you claiming Oppenheimer knew they would drop A-bombs on Horishima and Nagasaki, heavily populated civilian targets? You are full of it!
Better to actually look for a book and be within the same county as truth before you open your choppers. Oppenheimer knew exactly how the bomb would be used - and so did everyone else on each and every side in that war who knowingly worked such a bomb.
16 Jan 12
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Originally posted by Metal BrainWhether the government trusted him is not the point. The point is that he was working on helping to build a bomb for the US. He may not have definitely known it would be used on Japan, but so what? If the Japanese had learned that he was working on the bomb and had run an operation to kill him, of course that would have been a legitimate war tactic, much like our shooting down Yamamoto's plane was a legitimate war tactic. That one wore a military uniform and the other a lab coat is not the point. Both were important to the war efforts of their respective countries.
He probably thought it would be used on a military target instead of heavily populated cities. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime, right? Do you consider that terrorism?
He helped to build it. He didn't have any say so as to how it was used. Our government didn't even trust him. His girlfriend was a communist and their phones were tapped and they were followed everywhere. His being Jewish may not have helped either.
To call a hypothetical attempt to assassinate Oppenheimer "terrorism" is bizarre.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76I agree with you on this one.
Whether the government trusted him is not the point. The point is that he was working on helping to build a bomb for the US. He may not have definitely known it would be used on Japan, but so what? If the Japanese had learned that he was working on the bomb and had run an operation to kill him, of course that would have been a legitimate war tactic, much like o ...[text shortened]... untries.
To call a hypothetical attempt to assassinate Oppenheimer "terrorism" is bizarre.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76Oppenheimer was trying to help build an A-bomb as we all know now. There is no proof that the Iranian scientists are trying to do the same, therefore the killing of Iranian scientists is terrorism. Israel is not denying it as far as I know, and that looks very suspicious. Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear power reactor back in the 80s and no (weapons grade) heavy isotopes were detected. Israel has no right to do this again given their deadly goof during the Reagan administration.
Whether the government trusted him is not the point. The point is that he was working on helping to build a bomb for the US. He may not have definitely known it would be used on Japan, but so what? If the Japanese had learned that he was working on the bomb and had run an operation to kill him, of course that would have been a legitimate war tactic, much like o ...[text shortened]... untries.
To call a hypothetical attempt to assassinate Oppenheimer "terrorism" is bizarre.
Israel is a terrorist nation. If not for killing Iranian scientists, at least for killing Iraqis working in a peaceful nuclear power plant.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Metal BrainSo you drew a different conclusion when you viewed the US and Israeli intelligence reports?
Oppenheimer was trying to help build an A-bomb as we all know now. There is no proof that the Iranian scientists are trying to do the same, therefore the killing of Iranian scientists is terrorism. Israel is not denying it as far as I know, and that looks very suspicious. Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear power reactor back in the 80s and no (weapons grade) h ...[text shortened]... ling Iranian scientists, at least for killing Iraqis working in a peaceful nuclear power plant.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperYou viewed US and Israeli intelligence reports that indicated an Iranian nuclear weapons program? Are they like the Iraq WMD reports that were so accurate?
So you drew a different conclusion when you viewed the US and Israeli intelligence reports?
16 Jan 12
Even IF Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb and even IF this scientist was part of that program, Israel and Iran are NOT at war so the Oppenheimer analogy is immaterial. IF Israel wants to declare war on Iran, then they can try to kill Iranians doing work that benefits the Iranian military. But doing the same thing NOW is an act of terrorism.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Metal BrainNope, I didn't view them nor did I ever claim to.
You viewed US and Israeli intelligence reports that indicated an Iranian nuclear weapons program? Are they like the Iraq WMD reports that were so accurate?
Your Iraq WMD comment is a blatant red herring.