Originally posted by abejnoodWhere to begin. I have only just now read your start of this thread and some of the responses. I saw you asked for input instead of criticism. So I will start with this point.
[b]So the U.S. has recently claimed they are putting 50 billion to industrialize Iraq. This spells doom for Iran and the ultimate, final success for the U.S. A good thing?
I would like you to realize, while 50 billion dollars is huge to a high school lad in Tennessee, USA, it is but the tiniest of ripples in world economics and will hardly cause the down-fall of Europe, Middle East and Southeast Asia.
Originally posted by abejnoodFirst, why would a ruling secular government in Iraq (which a majority believe will never happen) cause Iran to collapse? Please re-think this, as I doubt you have read any economic reports that would lead you to believe this.
[b]The fall of Iran will also lead to the fall of Pakistan, India, all the Middle Eastern countries excepting Isreal, and will cause Russia, China, Muslim states in general, and European states excepting England. Why will they fall? --text shortened-- Russia, China, and European states have nothing to gain but everything to lose -- text shortened-- it's their markets that will collapse
Second, Irans’ collapse (for any reason at all) would never cause the collapse of markets throughout Europe, Mid-East and Asia. It simply doesn't have that level of impact on world economics.
I commend you on your nationalistic pride, that is commendable in all nationalities, but I am afraid Iran doesn't quite have the impact you assign quite yet. When they achieve nuclear weapons -- perhaps then?
Originally posted by abejnoodUm, Russia collapsed mainly because it overspent during the cold war. They bankrupted themselves wasting billions on missles.
So the U.S. has recently claimed they are putting 50 billion to industrialize Iraq. This spells doom for Iran and the ultimate, final success for the U.S. A good thing? Depends on who you are. Not if you're Iran, obviously. Who else? Unfortunately, many don't realize that Iran's demise will also spell doom for many countries. The U.S.'s "greatest threat", o ...[text shortened]... ideals that founded America, before the U.S. becomes the next Empire to rule and fall.
Originally posted by abejnoodI understand you are an “A” student, but obviously you need to study World History a bit more. The USA began trade with Europe during the 1780’s and other countries you mention have long histories of trade between one another without needing permission from USA and that trade continues today.
[b]The U.S. began trade with Japan, South Korea, Europe, China, India. economically tying all countries around the Soviet Union to the U.S. When the Soviet Union was unable to sell their products to anyone, and unable to buy from all these countries producing their products, it collapsed. And then, only then, the U.S. went and opened talks and gave aid to Russia.
The Soviet Union sold their products to many countries. Problem was, the only products they had to sell were weapons. The communists were unable to produce enough product for their own consumption so there was no excess for trade. As a point…You have heard of Fiat, Porche, Saab what USSR autos’ do you know of?
Originally posted by abejnoodDear lad..it seems you have marked the demise of that communist state far too soon!
[b Now Russia joins many others in being economically dependent on the U.S. and effectively a weak state with no real power.
Yesterday, Mr. Putin (aka Mr. KGB) released news that Russia had begun to fly former routes along its borders with its NUCLEAR BOMBERS.
Can we say "petro dollar" effect boys and girls?
Obviously Mr. Putin longs for the good ol' bad days and not doubt would love his long range plan to gather the old empires "eggs back into the nest". Hello Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czech..
Originally posted by MacSwainCertainly agree with you on your point here. Mr Putin may leave the office of the President of Russia t but I will not be surprised when a hand picked/groomed protege takes his place. I'm sure that those that long for the bad old days of communism to return will be controlling the 'puppet'
Dear lad..it seems you have marked the demise of that communist state far too soon!
Yesterday, Mr. Putin (aka Mr. KGB) released news that Russia had begun to fly former routes along its borders with its NUCLEAR BOMBERS.
Can we say "petro dollar" effect boys and girls?
Obviously Mr. Putin longs for the good ol' bad days and not doubt would love his ...[text shortened]... o Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czech..
Originally posted by abejnoodWhen did your parents move to the USA? Have they told you nothing of their experience in Iran?
I'll remind you that it was the U.S. who originally broke economic ties with Iran and set ever increasing sanctions on Iran for almost 30 years.
Almost 30 years ago, Ayatollah Khomeini conducted an ACT OF WAR, on USA (by international law) when Iran attacked their embassy and took personnel as prisoners.
Are you saying these actions should have caused the USA to bestow Most Favoured Nation trade status on Iran?
In past years it has been the United Nations which has imposed increasingly tough sanctions on Iran.
Do your parents share your philosophies and world view? I think not, or they would have chosen to return to Iran. It must be some other source for your stilted knowledge base. This may seem a bit "out of line" on my part, but the only reason I bother with saying this to you is because you requested input.
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Originally posted by abejnoodYour comment regarding Japan, South Korea etc., brings an amusing thought to mind, since these countries now have very powerful economies.
[b]To come to my original point. --text shortened-- The U.S. began trade with Japan, South Korea, Europe,
Any country with a sub-standard economy should immediately declare war on USA. Followed immediately by a proclamation of surrender.
The USA would then follow its historical practice, using its treasure to rebuild the economy of the aggressor nation!
Oh!...sorry -- wait a mo.. I remember that was already done in a (Peter Sellars?) movie. Oh Well 😳
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Originally posted by uzlessCastro knew that the US was not going to trade with a communist regime. So he DID choose to be indepedent.
Cuba did NOT choose to be independant from the US. When Castro took power, the US instituted a boycott that said no American could do business with Cuba.
Cuba had no choice!
Dont change the topic and ask why the US does not trade with communists.
Originally posted by Rajk999The USA passively backed Castro in his effort to overthrow Batista by giving freedom continually visit the USA to raise funds. Much credence is given to the fact of 'covert' aid given, in the form hardware, supplied by the USA government.
Castro knew that the US was not going to trade with a communist regime. So he DID choose to be indepedent.
Dont change the topic and ask why the US does not trade with communists.
USA thought Castro's intent was to install a capitalistic democracy when the 'evil' dictatorship was deposed.
Surprise, surprise, Castro lied!!! Immediately upon gaining power he gave a news conference announcing he was, and had always been, a devout Marxist, also had been receiving USSR backing all along and the USA could "get stuffed!" Poetic justice in my book.
Bottom line...I don't believe the USA was given a choice in Cuban independance.
I don't believe the following USA trade embargo on Cuba has mattered a jot.
Castro and his soul mates have tried to blame the "feckless" USA embargo for Cuba's troubles. That is stupid on its face since all other countries have traded with Cuba all along.
Cuba is just another example of the failure of communism.
Originally posted by Rajk999The US trades with Communist nations all the time. After all, even though its not discussed much these days (not politically correct I suspect) but China is still a communist state. I have not seen anything that leads me to see where their goals have changed from the days of Chairman Mao. They are just disguised and prettied up some and hidden for the most part. What percentage of their GDP is spent on the military? And whom do you think their ICBM's are pointed at? Not South Africa, or Indonesia thats for sure.
Castro knew that the US was not going to trade with a communist regime. So he DID choose to be indepedent.
Dont change the topic and ask why the US does not trade with communists.
Until someone can prove to me that capitalism and free market economics are changing the minds of Chinese leadership, I continue to think the best course is cautious optimism sprinkled with a good helping of vigilance
Originally posted by AThousandYoungJust curious..when you quote people, do you know the background of the people you quote??
[b][i]Since George W. Bush came to power, United States has taken several actions against Iran that are considered crimes, Noam Chomsky stated in an interview.
"One of MIT’s supposed ‘linguistics’ expert and Professor of modern languages, Chomsky is a prolific pamphleteer and academia’s most influential leftist. He said Leftists don’t even RECOGNIZE the WOT.
His jew-hating tirades and incessant condemnation of Israel and the United States should bring a thinking person to conclude he sides with USA enemies,
I think people should look more closely examine “Noam Chomsky’s Love Affair with Nazis”….because his ideology spells out precisely why he thinks the war on terror is hypocrisy.
Following a meeting with Hassan Nasrallah, the Lebanese terrorist group’s “secretary general.” Chomsky announced his support for Hezbollah’s refusal to disarm. ”Chomsky pronounced his own fatwa on the United States, calling it one of the “leading terrorist states.” It was a meeting of murderous radical minds.
In many ways, Chomsky’s newly forged friendship with Hezbollah — the most recent entry in a lifetime befriending America’s most deadly enemies — is the logical continuation of the professor’s longstanding admiration for global terrorists and Jew-haters. In fact, Chomsky devoted most of the nineties to touting Hezbollah as a “resistance” movement (which occasionally committed misguided acts against civilians) while singing its praises as a crusader for peace and social justice."
Originally posted by MacSwainHang on, where did that come from? I've listened to the guy speak and he doesn't exactly come off as what that was suggesting, I agree with pretty much everything you've posted in this thread to date, but while Chomsky ain't exactly Mr. Perfect Judgement, this mini-article I presume you're quoting (source?) seems to be trying to colour things to suit its own purposes.
Just curious..when you quote people, do you know the background of the people you quote??
"One of MIT’s supposed ‘linguistics’ expert and Professor of modern languages, Chomsky is a prolific pamphleteer and academia’s most influential leftist. He said Leftists don’t even RECOGNIZE the WOT.
His jew-hating tirades and incessant condemnation of Israel and ...[text shortened]... acts against civilians) while singing its praises as a crusader for peace and social justice."