the eternal clash ( worthless )

@Very-Rusty said
I take it you and your granny are very close and she watches all you say in the forums. So like you granny has no life of her own?....Perhaps you two really need to find some hobbies. I send my condolences to your granny for having you as a grandson. 😛

-VR

Thank you for proving my point, liberals do not answer questions. You try to 'out-comedy' each other with not-clever comments.
Could you answer the question? I do not think any of you have it in you. What is the position of libs who see that some people work harder than others?

@AverageJoe1 said
Thank you for proving my point, liberals do not answer questions. You try to 'out-comedy' each other with not-clever comments.
Could you answer the question? I do not think any of you have it in you. What is the position of libs who see that some people work harder than others?

My fellow member you really must find a hobby to fill your time or play more chess, just a couple of suggestions. This kind of banter is not healthy for you.

-VR

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London calling

@AverageJoe1 said
So if I ask a question, and no one answers it, lib rules are that one should not answer the question again? My granny actually wants to know your answer, if you answer.

Now you fellers see how funny all this diversion is for me.

All I see is you getting your knickers in a twist way too often.

This will probably continue as we get closer to your hero losing the election.

@AverageJoe1 said
Thank you for proving my point, liberals do not answer questions. You try to 'out-comedy' each other with not-clever comments.
Could you answer the question? I do not think any of you have it in you. What is the position of libs who see that some people work harder than others?

That those working harder than you have less money than you?

Typical.

Don't you think people should be paid more the harder they work?

What happened to Trump then? He does nothing but play golf all day.

@AverageJoe1 said
Thank you for proving my point, liberals do not answer questions. You try to 'out-comedy' each other with not-clever comments.
Could you answer the question? I do not think any of you have it in you. What is the position of libs who see that some people work harder than others?

Your position is I think an oversimplification; there is not necessarily any direct correlation between 'working hard' and earning money, the slave trade being the most extreme example. 'The harder you work the more money you will earn' is a myth in an advanced capitalist society, where advantage over others is often inherent. Of course we can all cite examples of 'poor' people who have become rich, but they are very much the exception. In any case not everyone sees money as their 'prime motivator', and what, really, is the point in being 'mega rich', where having more money becomes essentially pointless? The richest man in the world takes anti - depressants. When I was growing up my peer - group had a certain distain for people who held the acquisition of more money as being important, we used to call them 'bread - heads', and I've never lost that philosophy. Provided one has shelter and enough to eat, money is about the least important thing, and the best things I have done in my small life have had nothing to do with money. The 'artist in the ghetto' is a cliche, but many great artists, writers, artisans and so on have died penniless, and have left their legacy; nobody remembers how much money a person had. So, help the poor, invest in the health service and education, and everybody benefits; treat money with the distain that it deserves; that is a brief synopsis of a 'liberal' perspective, with which you will no doubt disagree, but it's a perspective, nonetheless.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Your position is I think an oversimplification; there is not necessarily any direct correlation between 'working hard' and earning money, the slave trade being the most extreme example. 'The harder you work the more money you will earn' is a myth in an advanced capitalist society, where advantage over others is often inherent. Of course we can all cite examples of 'poo ...[text shortened]... a 'liberal' perspective, with which you will no doubt disagree, but it's a perspective, nonetheless.

I will study your comments, but you must understand that we have a socialist who is trying to change our country in a very big way, and one of her harrowing comments, out of many, is that '"at the end of the day, we all need to end up in the same place"'. As a 100% capitalist conservative, with all the trappings, that comment somewhat overrides and renders your thoughts a bit without foundation.
I say nothing about poor people or money.... I make no distinction about who has what money, derived from various sources. People on this forum are not real keen on people who inherit money. I cannot imagine talking about that. Like , what are we going to do about THAT!!! Really.
But liberals are really confused about people who work harder than others, because they, like you, compare a guy at a desk with a guy digging a ditch. So I can make it easy....."Some people are more PRODUCTIVE than others". A guy digging a ditch is not as productive as a guy who buys a factory, employs 125 people, and they 'produce', at the behest of the factory owner. The owner may, indeed, play golf everyday. You see, he is more productive. I have posed this concept before, but libs go off the handle, even write back some comedy. (not humor, they know nothing of humor). The Pillow Guy is as productive as hell.
So you have to expand your thoughtful comments, and make all this work out as you think it should. You can not, and , hey, Kamala can not. She cannot make everyone in the same place at the end of the day.
Comments?

@Very-Rusty said
My fellow member you really must find a hobby to fill your time or play more chess, just a couple of suggestions. This kind of banter is not healthy for you.

-VR

See my post above.

@Suzianne said
That those working harder than you have less money than you?

Typical.

Don't you think people should be paid more the harder they work?

What happened to Trump then? He does nothing but play golf all day.

See my post above. Please, no comedy

@AverageJoe1 said
I will study your comments, but you must understand that we have a socialist who is trying to change our country in a very big way, and one of her harrowing comments, out of many, is that '"at the end of the day, we all need to end up in the same place"'. As a 100% capitalist conservative, with all the trappings, that comment somewhat overrides and renders your thoughts ...[text shortened]... y, Kamala can not. She cannot make everyone in the same place at the end of the day.
Comments?

Well, okay, here are some initial comments. In the first place, I understand that socialism in America these days equates to communism, and the two are quite different animals, and there is nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with changing a country, it depends what you change it into. And we do, of course, all end up in the same place, we all end up dead. I don't see why that which somebody else says overrides my perspective, I'm sure Kamala Harris may not necessarily agree with what I've said.
There's a quite simple solution to inherited wealth, which is inheritance tax.
When have I compared office work with manual work, I don't think I did that; ditches have to be dug; I place no greater value on either, and daresay that both people are working just as 'hard' in their own way, and nor do I place greater value on a factory owner than I do on factory workers. For all I know said factory workers may be producing great art or works of literature in the evenings, that is my point.
As for humour (sorry about the 'u', but I'm English) , I have that in spades, dear chap, and I understand that I'm an idealist, and that things will never work out the way that I think they should, life and people are more complex than that. All that we can do is to work toward our ideals, you toward yours and I toward mine, and even in my less than ideal world there should exist a more 'level playing field' where everyone at least has some semblance of equality of opportunity. Just as an aside, I've never had a job, I've always been in business in a small way, and I've never belonged to a union; just in case you have me down as a card - carrying commie....

@AverageJoe1 said
I will study your comments, but you must understand that we have a socialist who is trying to change our country in a very big way, and one of her harrowing comments, out of many, is that '"at the end of the day, we all need to end up in the same place"'. As a 100% capitalist conservative, with all the trappings, that comment somewhat overrides and renders your thoughts ...[text shortened]... y, Kamala can not. She cannot make everyone in the same place at the end of the day.
Comments?

Stop lying.

You have always made this comment about finances.

It is not.

This is about young black men who have reason to fear when tailed by police. About the young Hispanic men who have reason to fear that their workplace will get raided and they'll be out of a job. It's about women who have seen their reproductive rights disappear.

It is never about finances and white people worried they'll be replaced at the top of the heap.

You always champion the white elites in this country who have driven the chaos that threatens a Project 2025 and the creation of a "Fourth Reich".

You never, ever talk about what most of America is fearing could happen on the ground in this country. A return to Jim Crow and everything that means.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Well, okay, here are some initial comments. In the first place, I understand that socialism in America these days equates to communism, and the two are quite different animals, and there is nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with changing a country, it depends what you change it into. And we do, of course, all end up in the same place, we all end up dead. I don't see why th ...[text shortened]... y, and I've never belonged to a union; just in case you have me down as a card - carrying commie....

Yes, Phil. 'Equality of opportunity' is what Harris' statement is about. And why there is much excitement right now over her campaign.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Well, okay, here are some initial comments. In the first place, I understand that socialism in America these days equates to communism, and the two are quite different animals, and there is nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with changing a country, it depends what you change it into. And we do, of course, all end up in the same place, we all end up dead. I don't see why th ...[text shortened]... y, and I've never belonged to a union; just in case you have me down as a card - carrying commie....

I don't regard you, or anyone, personally in such discussions. It is concepts to be regarded. Your being a commie or not is irrelevant, you can still voice opinions. No argument with your first patagraph, all givens. We die indeed.

We already have inheritance tax. It has been working for quite a few decades. All has been working quite well, we wonder what 'lib change' is all about. We wonder why all of a sudden we are looking at a new (wealth) tax and a tax on unrealized gains. Surely you must admit that the successful people who created jobs (Trump has about 25k people) and produce products (Tim Cook, Bezos, et al) wonder what in the hell. I think you know, so why bring it up.

Your philosophical comments regarding placing value are a bit far-afield from this discussion. You end with 'that is my point'. Well, that is MY point... everyone is different, each have their own values. The artist values his sidewalk art, and some care not about amassing wealth. And he is not concerned with the millionaire who values what he does. His measuring tool is money, the artist's measuring tool is his art for sale, how it sells. Amassing wealth is one man's goal, creating art is the goal of the other.

Another poster here, however, is bent on dragging that millionaire into the lives of others, in effect punishing him. All libs here think that there is a pie to be shared. There are many pies.....they do not get that. Bezos made a pie. The artist makes a pie. We do have the level playing field. Race is bandied about, but we elected a black person twice. That is becoming tiresome.
You say there is nothing intrinsically wrong with changing the greatest country in the world. Please note that the 'change' suggested by the airhead socialist would render us weak. We would be less successful than the wonderful UK.

@AverageJoe1 said
I don't regard you, or anyone, personally in such discussions. It is concepts to be regarded. Your being a commie or not is irrelevant, you can still voice opinions. No argument with your first patagraph, all givens. We die indeed.

We already have inheritance tax. It has been working for quite a few decades. All has been working quite well, we wonder what 'lib chan ...[text shortened]... d by the airhead socialist would render us weak. We would be less successful than the wonderful UK.

@AJoe1,
Have you ever considered the FACT you may not be correct about everything you say. I have a new flash for you: You may not be as smart or perfect as you think you are. Do not let that bother you though, just try not to make your self look too silly. At some point you start to look like a Mr. Know-It-All, that not being a compliment.

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
@AJoe1,
Have you ever considered the FACT you may not be correct about everything you say. I have a new flash for you: You may not be as smart or perfect as you think you are. Do not let that bother you though, just try not to make your self look too silly. At some point you start to look like a Mr. Know-It-All, that not being a compliment.

-VR

My first sentence above,,,”I don’t regard you personally…”
And here you go, right out of the gate, cast issues aside.
Do you know, since you are into that, why don’t you entertain us all, regard Sunhouse personally. That could be a lot of fun.
Do that…, our discussion, as usual, dies on the vine as all of them do, when y’all have no argument. Or go get a posterboard and march around telling everyone to go after the successful and get all of their money, and use it to fix all of the problems that were caused by the people who are trying to get all the money.