The Latin American Robert Mugabe

Originally posted by duecer
I love my country more than you ever will. your problem is you only love yourself, and can't see that what is good for your fellow man is also good for you.

QUALITY post!

well said.

edit. This is the problem with ppl like DSR...its all about me..me..me.. and they are the kind of poeple who give the USA such a bad name in the world

Originally posted by treetalk
The Republican playbook is rather ... repetitive, isn't it?

Let's see:

Wake up
Blame something on Clinton
Demonise Chavez
Back anything Bush does
Complain about taxes
Crank up the Iranian threat
Praise economy
Cheerlead anything military
Dissemble or just lie if team is caught out lying / breaking law
Go to sleep

The thing is, is that you ...[text shortened]... eve that's what a Conservative should do/say ... it's like Pavlov meets A Clockwork Orange.

you forgot to add.....

Islam this and Islam that.

Muslim this and muslim that.

Originally posted by spurs73
QUALITY post!

well said.

Look I probably agree with many of Duecer and your opinions, but saying you love your country more? Come on thats 3rd grade playground level debate. Der Swartzenagger probably wants the best for his fellow man too, just in his Fuedalistic/capitalistic way. Debate some issues.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Shav, I think you are confusing 2 issues. Being the popular vote does not give a president the right to act independently and without consultation. A duly elected leader must still act in acordance with the wishes of the electorate and if he does not, then he is a dictator.

One eg .. Chavez has removed / limited the freedom of the press. Do you think that the electorate supported that? If not then the man is a dicatator.

limited freedom of press? have you seen what is airing on the many privately owned tv stations in venezuela? if they are being censored, i'd like to see what they'd really like to air.

and by the way, if i was running a country, and the right-wing media was instrumental in an attempted coup d'etat, i'd sure as hell want to limit a lot more than freedom of press.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
I really wish jaded liberals like you could live outside the United States and experience fascism, communism, socialism and totalitarianism up close and personal. Then you would know the difference and quit making fools of yourselves every time you inappropriately bandy about these terms.

A dose of Brown socIalism in the UK would soon cure him.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Chavez has removed / limited the freedom of the press. Do you think that the electorate supported that? If not then the man is a dicatator.

Yes, he didn't renew that one licence of the TV channel that doctored footage to try and propel that coup. You also have to have police permission to wear jeans. Groups of three or more people that are talking about him must stand with one person a metre or more away. And he has killed 1,572,948 children.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, he didn't renew that one licence of the TV channel that doctored footage to try and propel that coup. You also have to have police permission to wear jeans. Groups of three or more people that are talking about him must stand with one person a metre or more away. And he has killed 1,572,948 children.

You're talking about George Bush, correct?

G.

Originally posted by spurs73
This is the problem with ppl like DSR...its all about me..me..me..

Give him his dues.

DSR is one of the most succinct posters among us. Take this very thread itself for instance:

The Latin American Robert Mugabe

DSR immediately reveals that he doesn't really understand either Robert Mugabe or Hugo Chavez. And he also reveals that he understands neither Latin America nor Africa. He reveals his contempt for the people of Zimbabwe. And for the people of Venezuela too. He also reveals his inability to understand the meaning of democracy. Implicit, furthermore, is his inability to understand the world as a whole and history in general.

All with a mere 5 word thread title and without having even posted the first message yet!

It's quite an achievement.

Originally posted by MacSwain
That is exactly the same noble claim behind Saloth Sar's 3 1/2 year reign in Cambodia.

It is not the noble "end" that's important, it is the "means" one uses to achieve it everyone should examine. Equality cannot be achieved by force, it only results in death.

are you comparing chavez' means to the khmer rouge? that's kinda far fetched, isn't it?

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, he didn't renew that one licence of the TV channel that doctored footage to try and propel that coup. You also have to have police permission to wear jeans. Groups of three or more people that are talking about him must stand with one person a metre or more away. And he has killed 1,572,948 children.

killed 1,572,948 children? how? substantiate your claims please.

Originally posted by mbakunin
killed 1,572,948 children? how? substantiate your claims please.

You don't question the clamp-down on denim?

Originally posted by spurs73
QUALITY post!

well said.

edit. This is the problem with ppl like DSR...its all about me..me..me.. and they are the kind of poeple who give the USA such a bad name in the world

People like me are also the people who drag people like you kicking and screaming out of the muck.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
People like me are also the people who drag people like you kicking and screaming out of the muck.

I think he revels in it as his natural element.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Shav, I think you are confusing 2 issues. Being the popular vote does not give a president the right to act independently and without consultation. A duly elected leader must still act in acordance with the wishes of the electorate and if he does not, then he is a dictator.

One eg .. Chavez has removed / limited the freedom of the press. Do you think that the electorate supported that? If not then the man is a dicatator.

1. Freedom of the Press is a luxury not a Rite. Having lived in Russia and China, I can tell you most people do not give damn about western "freedom" of the press. They are more worried about housing, jobs and schools for their kids. Even In Japan where I live now, The Press is mostly pro government: why shouldn't it be.

Chavez was elected. But, He has abused his power just as Putin did in Russia.Difference is Putin has more brains. And as Ritter said. Most people who live in the West and have not lived outsider their respective countries OR at least are aware of the difference of mentality outside their culture;Don't get it.

Originally posted by mochiron
1. Freedom of the Press is a luxury not a Rite. Having lived in Russia and China, I can tell you most people do not give damn about western "freedom" of the press. They are more worried about housing, jobs and schools for their kids. Even In Japan where I live now, The Press is mostly pro government: why shouldn't it be.

Chavez was elected. But, He has ...[text shortened]... ies OR at least are aware of the difference of mentality outside their culture;Don't get it.

Freedom of expression is a 'right', just because many of the very organisations that should be protecting that 'right' actively violate it, does not make it any less of a 'right'.