The Most Honest Pro-Mask Mandate Article Ever

@sh76 said
In the county that I live, transmission is now well below the CDC's magic number of 10/100k and the positive test % has been under 1% for three straight days.

Yes, they're still making kids wear masks in public schools (my kids don't go to public school, thankfully).

Would you agree that is unjustified?

@sh76 said
In the county that I live, transmission is now well below the CDC's magic number of 10/100k and the positive test % has been under 1% for three straight days.

Yes, they're still making kids wear masks in public schools (my kids don't go to public school, thankfully).

Would you agree that is unjustified?

@jimm619 said
No,
A whole 3 days., huh?

@no1marauder said
No.

Your county and the rest of NY State had a sharp increase in December and January in COVID cases and deaths. IF public health authorities in the State think it is still too early to lift the school mask mandate, then it isn't "unjustified". Schools are an excellent place for COVID to spread esp. in winter since there are lots of individuals packed in close quarters ...[text shortened]... -ny/ny-state-of-politics/2022/02/15/hochul---combination-of-factors--will-decide-school-mask-mandate

@sh76 said
We obviously have very different views on the costs associated with masking children for the whole day. In my view, those imposing these cost have the burden to show necessity (I don't mean from a legal perspective, I mean from a societal cost/benefit perspective).

@no1marauder said
If by "we" you mean you on your side and public health authorities on my side, you are accurate.

I've never seen any "cost" associated with mask mandates in schools that came close to matching the costs of increased COVID spread including cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

@jimm619 said
I would venture to guess that
younger children actually enjoy,
'dressing up,' with masks.

@no1marauder said
If by "we" you mean you on your side and public health authorities on my side, you are accurate.

I've never seen any "cost" associated with mask mandates in schools that came close to matching the costs of increased COVID spread including cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

@sh76 said
By "we" I mean the vast majority of the country at this point.

School mask mandates are on the way out or out almost everywhere by now. In Europe, by and large, they were never a thing.

@sh76 said
By "we" I mean the vast majority of the country at this point.

School mask mandates are on the way out or out almost everywhere by now. In Europe, by and large, they were never a thing.

@no1marauder said
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/bandwagon-fallacy-examples.html

How many were caused to be sick, hospitalized or dead because of the acceptance of your COVID minimization views?

EDIT: Here's a fun one: https://www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html

People gave obviously wrong answers to simple questions just because everybody else in the room did first.

@no1marauder said
Your assertion about Europe appears to be incorrect: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/03/masks-for-school-students-mandatory-in-several-eu-countries

EDIT: A German study concluding: " We can therefore recommend all-time mandatory masking in schools for both children and adults. In preschools, mask wearing could also reduce secondary cases,” concluded Kästner." https://www.healtheuropa.eu/wearing-face-masks-reduces-covid-19-transmission-in-schools/112453/

@sh76 said
Okay. So you're allowed to cite "public health authorities on my side" and that's not a bandwagon fallacy and I'm not allowed to cite decisionmakers in virtual unanimity from around the country because that's the bandwagon fallacy.

Got it.

Hochul is almost certain to lift the school mask mandate in early March, so I don't see what you are whining about; just take your kudos for contributing to the suffering and death of COVID you and other COVID minimizers have helped cause (by giving political cover to people like DeSantis).

Personally, I'd like to see vaccination of children in New York 5-11 go at least over 50% before the mask mandate was ended (currently it sits at 38.6% one dose and 31.9% full vaccination https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/demographic-vaccination-data) but that's probably politically impossible these days.

@no1marauder said

Personally, I'd like to see vaccination of children in New York 5-11 go at least over 50% before the mask mandate was ended