@wajoma saidI have a preference for not allowing deadly pandemics to run unchecked through the population.
No.1
A. stakes a claim on the children of people he doesn't even know so as to turn them into lab rats.
B. poops out a couple of arbitrary numbers
...bully for No.1
Sue me.
You do know that all of those children in NYS are already required to be vaccinated for a slew of diseases? https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2370.pdf
EDIT: BTW, if you actually read my post you'd see that I didn't even support requiring these children to be COVID vaccinated - just said that until more of them are, I wouldn't toss out school mask mandates.
21 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidHas there been enough time to test the long term effects of the new gene therapy treatments you'd like to push on other peoples children?
I have a preference for not allowing deadly pandemics to run unchecked through the population.
Sue me.
You do know that all of those children in NYS are already required to be vaccinated for a slew of diseases? https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2370.pdf
EDIT: BTW, if you actually read my post you'd see that I didn't even support requiring these children to b ...[text shortened]... COVID vaccinated - just said that until more of them are, I wouldn't toss out school mask mandates.
YOUR EDIT: same thing
just arbitrary dream numbers from No1.
21 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidThe cost on the other side is intangible. And that’s the problem. How do you quantify someone’s feeling that his freedom is being taken away? We saw the same gut reaction against mandatory seat belt laws. I don’t know whether you are old enough to remember the slogan, but I sure do: the life you save may be your own.
If by "we" you mean you on your side and public health authorities on my side, you are accurate.
I've never seen any "cost" associated with mask mandates in schools that came close to matching the costs of increased COVID spread including cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
21 Feb 22
@wajoma saidThere is never enough time to measure "long term effects" of any vaccinations against deadly, contagious diseases if you want to slow their spread. Your objection would condemn millions to unnecessary deaths if taken seriously.
Has there been enough time to test the long term effects of the new gene therapy treatments you'd like to push on other peoples children?
YOUR EDIT: same thing
just arbitrary dream numbers from No1.
@moonbus saidMeasures to combat contagious diseases are fundamentally different from something like a mandatory seat belt law. The former imposes limits and obligations on individuals in order to prevent them from endangering the health of others while the latter do so for their own good.
The cost on the other side is intangible. And that’s the problem. How do you quantify someone’s feeling that his freedom is being taken away? We saw the same gut reaction against mandatory seat belt laws. I don’t know whether you are old enough to remember the slogan, but I sure do: the life you save may be your own.
I support the first, but not the second.
21 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidThat would be a NO then, at least No.1 has more integrity than the snake known as wildcrass, who dodged that question at least 12 times before running away.
There is never enough time to measure "long term effects" of any vaccinations against deadly, contagious diseases if you want to slow their spread. Your objection would condemn millions to unnecessary deaths if taken seriously.
@no1marauder saidEvery governor who has relaxed COVID rules will point to a slew of "public health authorities" supporting their decisions. "Public health authorities" is not a homogenous group of infallible experts. They can be cherry-picked and they're as susceptible to other considerations as anybody else is. As far as I know, no "public health authorities" outside the US advocate force-masking 3 year olds as we require on airplanes.
If you're too thick to understand the difference between recommendations of public health authorities and politically motivated decisions by government officials that's your problem.
The WHO and UNICEF say children aged 5 years and under should not be required to wear masks and are very hesitant on ages 6-11.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19
21 Feb 22
@wajoma saidThere are ongoing evaluations of the COVID vaccines for safety issues. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html?s_cid=10507:covid%20vaccine%20safety:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen😛TN:FY21
That would be a NO then, at least No.1 has more integrity than the snake known as wildcrass, who dodged that question at least 12 times before running away.
No serious problems have been found though 547 million doses have been administered in the US.
Again, you seem to have missed it, but all I said was that until vaccinations among the 5-11 age group reached over 50%, I would support them having to wear masks while inside school. How you translated that into a requirement that these kids have to be vaccinated is a mystery.
21 Feb 22
@sh76 saidThe WHO doesn't sound particularly "hesitant" to me: https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19
Every governor who has relaxed COVID rules will point to a slew of "public health authorities" supporting their decisions. "Public health authorities" is not a homogenous group of infallible experts. They can be cherry-picked and they're as susceptible to other considerations as anybody else is. As far as I know, no "public health authorities" outside the US advocate force-maski ...[text shortened]...
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19
All of its criteria still support mask wearing in schools in NYS.
21 Feb 22
@no1marauder said===WHO and UNICEF advise that the decision to use masks for children aged 6-11 should be based on the following factors:
The WHO doesn't sound particularly "hesitant" to me: https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19
All of its criteria still support mask wearing in schools in NYS.
Whether there is widespread transmission in the area where the child resides
The ability of the child to safely and appropriately use a mask
Access to masks, as well as laundering and replacement of masks in certain settings (such as schools and childcare services)
Adequate adult supervision and instructions to the child on how to put on, take off and safely wear masks
Potential impact of wearing a mask on learning and psychosocial development, in consultation with teachers, parents/caregivers and/or medical providers
Specific settings and interactions the child has with other people who are at high risk of developing serious illness, such as the elderly and those with other underlying health conditions===
In NY, transmission is dwindling fast. Children of 6 and 7 are generally not capable of properly wearing a mask unless micromanaged, which a teacher of 30 students does not have time to do. If you're giving any weight at all to the impact of masks "learning and psychosocial development" you have yet to concede that. As for the last factor, let parents in homes with vulnerable people put N95s on their kids. If the CDC is correct, N95s are excellent one-way protectors.
21 Feb 22
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@sh76 saidNY, like almost everywhere else in the US, is still considered to have "high transmission levels". https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community
===WHO and UNICEF advise that the decision to use masks for children aged 6-11 should be based on the following factors:
Whether there is widespread transmission in the area where the child resides
The ability of the child to safely and appropriately use a mask
Access to masks, as well as laundering and replacement of masks in certain settings (such as schools and childcare ...[text shortened]... nerable people put N95s on their kids. If the CDC is correct, N95s are excellent one-way protectors.
The American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees with you:
" Children 2 years of age and older have demonstrated their ability to wear a face mask."
https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/cloth-face-coverings/
I'm unconvinced that masks in schools have any serious negative effects on "learning and psychosocial development". Teachers unions have generally been supportive of mask mandates.
@no1marauder saidWould you sustain an insurance company's claim that it need not cover medical costs for avoidable injuries caused or exacerbated by not wearing seat belts (e.g. skull fracture due to impact with the windscreen)?
Measures to combat contagious diseases are fundamentally different from something like a mandatory seat belt law. The former imposes limits and obligations on individuals in order to prevent them from endangering the health of others while the latter do so for their own good.
I support the first, but not the second.
21 Feb 22
@moonbus saidOf what relevance is that? With or without mandatory seat belt laws, failing to wear one can be considered negligence lessening the ability to recover damages. https://cck-law.com/personal-injury/what-if-i-was-not-wearing-a-seat-belt-at-the-time-of-my-car-accident/
Would you sustain an insurance company's claim that it need not cover medical costs for avoidable injuries caused or exacerbated by not wearing seat belts (e.g. skull fracture due to impact with the windscreen)?
