Oh, here is the rest of Clintons Pardons
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions 3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife
Setting aside whether Scooter Libby should spend 0 days in jail for what most people spend from 1 to 3 years in jail, the key here is that it's inappropriate for the president to pardon or commute a sentence in a case in which he (i.e., the president) is a party to the same underlying crime. Because it amounts to obstruction of justice.
It's really not that complicated.
Originally posted by TheSkipperNo, it's not .. at least not as long as we accept your version of who "most people" are ... and what's "inappropriate."
Setting aside whether Scooter Libby should spend 0 days in jail for what most people spend from 1 to 3 years in jail, the key here is that it's inappropriate for the president to pardon or commute a sentence in a case in which he (i.e., the president) is a party to the same underlying crime. Because it amounts to obstruction of justice.
It's really not that complicated.
And of course we'll need to believe that the President is " a party to the same underlying crime." ie " obstruction of justice." A crime the Special Prosecutor apparently didn't think warrented charges.
Odd huh? I mean, you proved it with your solid logic here. The Democrats must like Bush, 'cause they decided to let him slide.
I still can't believe the Donkeys didn't impeach him.
It's really not that complicated.
Do any of you remember when President Clinton offered clemency to 16 members of the FALN terrorist group.
I think his main reason for the pardons were because the sentences were too long, but I can not find if there was ever more learned about the circumstances. He kept some of the documents secret, citing executive privilege.
Originally posted by lepomisI think those can be found in Sandy Berger' jockey shorts .. along with some other stuff.
Do any of you remember when President Clinton offered clemency to 16 members of the FALN terrorist group.
I think his main reason for the pardons were because the sentences were too long, but I can not find if there was ever more learned about the circumstances. He kept some of the documents secret, citing executive privilege.
Originally posted by MerkWho gives a damn - you fools always need to bring up Clinton.
In addition to his brother and two cabinent members, but Bush is still a cronyist and the Libby sentence reduction was far far worse.
Look at the Libby case only - treason is ok by you? Obstruction of justice?
Originally posted by treetalkWhat treason? Valeri Plane was'nt working for the CIA at the time. If she was I doubt if she was a so called spy. Most spies would have enough brains to not plaster faces all over some magazine. You fools always defend Clinton.🙄
Who gives a damn - you fools always need to bring up Clinton.
Look at the Libby case only - treason is ok by you? Obstruction of justice?
Originally posted by slimjimGee - nothing refutable in your argument.
What treason? Valeri Plane was'nt working for the CIA at the time. If she was I doubt if she was a so called spy. Most spies would have enough brains to not plaster faces all over some magazine. You fools always defend Clinton.🙄
Edit - As to defending Clinton - how often do 'we' bring up Bush Snr or Reagan in an attempt to transfer blame? Compared with 'you' guys and Clinton ... well, there's no comparison, is there?
Originally posted by treetalkWell what do you expect from someone who talks to trees.🙄
Gee - nothing refutable in your argument.
Edit - As to defending Clinton - how often do 'we' bring up Bush Snr or Reagan in an attempt to transfer blame? Compared with 'you' guys and Clinton ... well, there's no comparison, is there?
Originally posted by HumeAThis is interesting regarding Clinton's pardons. Not sure about the source (http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons6.htm):
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's actions here are indefensible. I'm also shocked to see Clinton's pardons. Surely the USA is ready to move on from this almost medieval form of patronage.
"Also, in contrast to past administrations, the Clinton White House did not act on clemency cases in a regular and timely fashion: no grants at all were issued in four of President Clinton’s first five years in office, and only a relative handful of pardons were granted in later years, usually at Christmas."
"Several months before the end of President Clinton’s second term, reports began to circulate that there would be a large number of grants at the end of his term. This by itself would be unusual, for pardoning had in the past taken place regularly and consistently throughout the President’s term and was not reserved until its end. Even more unusual, some pardon applicants and their lawyers were reportedly given to understand, by Justice Department officials and others, that the White House might be receptive to applications filed there directly, given the short time period remaining before the end of the administration. It was said that President Clinton did not want to leave office having pardoned less generously than any President in history, and only three weeks before leaving office he himself remarked publicly on his frustration with the existing system of Justice Department review."
Originally posted by Dace AceI think I would not revoke it -- the tradition is very old and goes back to Pilate pardoning Barabas instead of Jesus. It is a kind of safety valve for those cases where there is a collective sense that "something" has gone wrong, and the justice system has no formal method to self-correct. Mercy in the right situations is good.
Perhaps the ability for a president to pardon anyone should be revoked. But...careful what you ask for....you may get it.
It is NOT meant as a get-out-of-jail-free card for your cronies. That's abuse.
Originally posted by SMSBear716Interesting identification, that one: foreign agent - Presidential aide. I personally expect my government to protect its soldiers, not to deliberately expose their identities for partisan advantage.
The whole thing was a 'show trial ' anyway to appease the left wing base of the Democratic party and the Moveon.org types. As my sister (who works for the NSA - No such Agency) says, whats the big deal ?
Any foreign agent could verify she worked for the CIA by folling her to work everyday as she drove to Langley.