@earl-of-trumps saidThe National Archives sent a referral to the DOJ on February 9, 2022:
@Metal-Brain
The National Archives Denies Raiding Mar-a-Lago for Trump Documents.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
That was in February. I would love to know about the August raid
"1. Specifically, on February 9, 2022, the Special Agent in Charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General sent a referral via email to the Department of Justice (“DOJ” ) (hereinafter, the “NARA
Referral” ). MJ Docket D.E. 102-1 at ¶ 24. The NARA Referral stated that a preliminary review of the Fifteen Boxes indicated that they contained “newspapers, magazines, printed news articles, photos, miscellaneous print-outs, notes, presidential correspondence, personal and post-presidential records, and a lot of classified records. Of most significant concern was that highly classified records were unfoldered, intermixed with other records, and otherwise unproperly [sic] identified.” Id. (internal quotations omitted). The NARA Referral was made on two bases: evidence that classified records had been stored at the Premises until mid-
January 2022, and evidence that certain pages of Presidential records had been torn up."
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nxJHlu3jqN5njXLM8J8QTrzRsiE4M_p1/view at Page 5.
This referral is what triggered DOJ involvement which after it became clear that Trump had not adequately responded to the May grand jury subpoena ( see p. 10 of the link above) resulted in the search warrant executed in August.
@metal-brain said"Sure, he punched ten thousand people in the stomach, but only a hundred of them died! That's only one percent - that's not a big deal! Why are you calling him a murderer? And at least he didn't take photographs of it, like someone did of the neighbour who let his dog poo in her garden."
Agents during the Aug. 8 raid at Mar-a-Lago seized 11,179 materials that were not marked classified, the inventory says. They also took 103 documents marked classified, including some marked top secret.
That is less than 1% classified documents and not all of them were marked top secret. Not such a big deal. At least he was not emailing the info around like someone did.
@Shallow-Blue
It doesn't matter a whit, because his god king is REPUBLICAN. ONLY if he was a Dem would he then be a traitor.
@no1marauder saidSo NARA knew all about the documents and that Trump had them. Why didn't NARA ask for them?
The National Archives sent a referral to the DOJ on February 9, 2022:
"1. Specifically, on February 9, 2022, the Special Agent in Charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General sent a referral via email to the Department of Justice (“DOJ” ) (hereinafter, the “NARA
Referral” ). MJ Docket D.E. 102-1 at ¶ 24. The NARA Referral stated that a preliminary review of the Fi ...[text shortened]... rand jury subpoena ( see p. 10 of the link above) resulted in the search warrant executed in August.
@metal-brain saidThey did.
So NARA knew all about the documents and that Trump had them. Why didn't NARA ask for them?
Repeatedly.
@no1marauder saidSo they did not enforce the rule of law that when presidents leave office the documents would go straight to NARA. They obviously never enforce that law.
They did.
Repeatedly.
NARA stated they didn't call for a raid to get documents at Mar a Lago.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
So why did the FBI intervene? NARA didn't seem to be in a hurry and it isn't like he was emailing the documents from a private server. The documents were in a locked room. What is the problem?
Clinton and her staff did not fully cooperate with investigators. During the investigations of her conduct, some of us marveled at the temerity of the Clinton staff in refusing to turn over her laptop and other evidence to State Department and DOJ investigators. The FBI had to cut deals with her aides to secure their cooperation.
Later, more classified material was found on the laptop of former congressman Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who was married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — 49,000 emails potentially relevant to the Clinton investigation.
After Congress sought these emails, Clinton’s staff unilaterally destroyed thousands of emails with BleachBit. Clinton was aware that Congress and the State Department were seeking the emails in 2014. Her lawyers turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted 33,000 others while insisting they unilaterally deemed them “personal.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prosecuting-trump-shadow-hillarys-emails
Earl is right. There is no legal basis. HRC did far worse and she was not charged with a crime. That is why they picked this issue. They knew it would not hurt Trump because of the precedent set when HRC was let off the hook. This fake scandal will not change anything.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/latest-revelations-about-mar-lago-raid-unlikely-sway-midterm-voters-strategists-say
@metal-brain saidNARA referred it to the DOJ and thus to the FBI all the way back in February. Numerous efforts were made to get Trump to comply voluntarily and those efforts had been ongoing since soon after Trump left office.
So they did not enforce the rule of law that when presidents leave office the documents would go straight to NARA. They obviously never enforce that law.
NARA stated they didn't call for a raid to get documents at Mar a Lago.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
So why did the FBI intervene? NARA didn't seem ...[text shortened]... iling the documents from a private server. The documents were in a locked room. What is the problem?
I'm curious; how do you expect NARA to enforce the law other than to get the DOJ to? Do you think they have NARA police to bang on the door of recalcitrant ex-Presidents?
No one knew what Trump was doing with these documents he wasn't supposed to have except have his lawyers lie about their existence. That's a pretty good reason to get them out of his hands.
@no1marauder saidClinton and her staff did not fully cooperate with investigators. During the investigations of her conduct, some of us marveled at the temerity of the Clinton staff in refusing to turn over her laptop and other evidence to State Department and DOJ investigators. The FBI had to cut deals with her aides to secure their cooperation.
NARA referred it to the DOJ and thus to the FBI all the way back in February. Numerous efforts were made to get Trump to comply voluntarily and those efforts had been ongoing since soon after Trump left office.
I'm curious; how do you expect NARA to enforce the law other than to get the DOJ to? Do you think they have NARA police to bang on the door of recalcitrant ex-Presidents?
Later, more classified material was found on the laptop of former congressman Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who was married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — 49,000 emails potentially relevant to the Clinton investigation.
After Congress sought these emails, Clinton’s staff unilaterally destroyed thousands of emails with BleachBit. Clinton was aware that Congress and the State Department were seeking the emails in 2014. Her lawyers turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted 33,000 others while insisting they unilaterally deemed them “personal.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/prosecuting-trump-shadow-hillarys-emails
Earl is right. There is no legal basis. HRC did far worse and she was not charged with a crime. That is why they picked this issue. They knew it would not hurt Trump because of the precedent set when HRC was let off the hook. This fake scandal will not change anything.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/latest-revelations-about-mar-lago-raid-unlikely-sway-midterm-voters-strategists-say
@metal-brain saidWe've been all through this; your ZH article is full of crap.
Clinton and her staff did not fully cooperate with investigators. During the investigations of her conduct, some of us marveled at the temerity of the Clinton staff in refusing to turn over her laptop and other evidence to State Department and DOJ investigators. The FBI had to cut deals with her aides to secure their cooperation.
Later, more classified material was fou ...[text shortened]... ge.com/political/latest-revelations-about-mar-lago-raid-unlikely-sway-midterm-voters-strategists-say
I'm not going to waste time debunking this AGAIN; I did it 6 years ago.
@no1marauder saidPage not found.
The National Archives sent a referral to the DOJ on February 9, 2022:
"1. Specifically, on February 9, 2022, the Special Agent in Charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General sent a referral via email to the Department of Justice (“DOJ” ) (hereinafter, the “NARA
Referral” ). MJ Docket D.E. 102-1 at ¶ 24. The NARA Referral stated that a preliminary review of the Fi ...[text shortened]... rand jury subpoena ( see p. 10 of the link above) resulted in the search warrant executed in August.
Give me a source of information that exists.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
The National Archives is denying helping to raid Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, to obtain documents left by former President Donald Trump. You need to prove they lied. Can you do that?
@metal-brain saidAre you a moron? It's the Government's Answer to Trump's Motion for a Special Master and there is nothing wrong with the link. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nxJHlu3jqN5njXLM8J8QTrzRsiE4M_p1/view
Page not found.
Give me a source of information that exists.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
The National Archives is denying helping to raid Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, to obtain documents left by former President Donald Trump. You need to prove they lied. Can you do that?
No one said they "lied". Look at the date of the Newsweek article, idiot.
@no1marauder saidThat is not the same link and you know it.
Are you a moron? It's the Government's Answer to Trump's Motion for a Special Master and there is nothing wrong with the link. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nxJHlu3jqN5njXLM8J8QTrzRsiE4M_p1/view
No one said they "lied".
They knew about the Mar a Lago raid last February? Explain.
@metal-brain saidScrew you. I don't know what your insane problem is with Google but it's the UNITED STATES’ RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT AND ADDITIONAL RELIEF in the case Trump filed.
The link will not open.
Find another source. Google cannot be trusted.
I'm sure it's on zerohedge somewhere.