23 Nov 20
The post that was quoted here has been removedIf questioning the safety of vaccines is unreasonable maybe we should all take the Sputnik vaccine. No super cold temps required, right?
Oh, that's right. You are overcome by conspiracy theories that the Russians are out to get us. You have never taken your tinfoil hat off. Look in the mirror. You are paranoid about everything Russian.
23 Nov 20
The post that was quoted here has been removedYou mentioned Moderna, why?
I noticed news reports of the vaccines indicated Moderna's vaccine did not require super cold temps. Why does the Pfizer vaccine require super cold temps while others do not? Seems like an unnecessary cost if you don't need cold temps for all vaccines. What is the advantage if any?
23 Nov 20
@metal-brain saidDo you ever read up on anything outside of your confirmation bias sources?
Why does the Pfizer vaccine require super cold temps while others do not?
23 Nov 20
@kevcvs57 saidVaccine passports have been in use for decades.
What about a passport system whereby the vaccinated will hold some kind of certification with businesses, schools etc being able to restrict entry to the non vaccinated or require them to wear a mask, if not exempt on medical grounds.
I’m sure there will be intense coercion to make people have it.
23 Nov 20
@divegeester saidI did not know that. Should I have one?
Vaccine passports have been in use for decades.
I’m sure there will be intense coercion to make people have it.
I wouldn’t like to see government sanctions, just the freedom for businesses to refuse service in order to keep their staff and customers safe. Although it would by its nature be coercive if adopted in a meaningful way.
But just as the non vaccinated get to make that choice then the vaccinated should be able to exercise a choice regarding whom they share a social space with.
@kevcvs57 saidOnly if you are visiting a country where certain jabs are a prerequisite. I had to get my doctor to update my vaccinations and provide me with the “passport” (little booklet with the references and signatures etc) when I travelled to Mauritius, I think it was.
I did not know that. Should I have one?
It’s quite sensible really but of course these were jabs using long established vaccines for long established diseases and before the rise of the anti-vax brigade. I’m not anti-vax, (per-se) I just don’t like being told what to do. I’ve also developed a distrust of big pharma companies falling over themselves to make billions out of shoving needles into me over a new virus ðŸ¦
24 Nov 20
@divegeester saidDo you always have no answers to offer?
Do you ever read up on anything outside of your confirmation bias sources?
Asking good questions is not a bias, it is an intelligent quest for useful information. Perhaps you are disgruntled because you cannot answer them. Your ego is not my problem.
24 Nov 20
The post that was quoted here has been removed"it's not clear exactly why
these two mRNA vaccines have different temperature requirements."
Still no answer to my question. That is unfortunate. Critical thinking seems to be alarmingly rare these days. If Moderna's vaccine is just as effective as Pfizer's why would anyone want one that could spoil when it gets warmer? Is there a cost difference?
If both Pfizer and Moderna are making mRNA vaccines how could one require super cold temps to prevent break down while the other doesn't? Is Moderna using a preservative that is toxic to do this? It is known that Formadehyde is used in certain vaccines.
Why the secrecy in vaccine manufacture? They have to list the ingredients on an insert sooner or later anyway.
When I first travelled by air back in the 1970s I couldn't get on a plane without a smallpox vaccination certificate. It wasn't a big deal then, even though smallpox vaccines were a real problem for a few people who had to produce medical certification about their allergy status. Qantas is already considering bringing back a vaccination requirement for international flights. Great idea. Then we wouldn't have to risk our lives sitting next to anti-vaxxers on crowded planes.
The post that was quoted here has been removed“ Scientists really know what they are doing, don't they?”
No not always but they are the first to admit what they don’t know, unlike politicians and conspiracy theorists.
Trials are called trials for a reason, as in ‘Trial and Error’ and once again they have admitted their fallibility.
I go for my flu jag tomorrow and I’ll be taking the covid jag at the first opportunity.