13 Jul 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWy?
Sigh. I guess that it is inevitable that people will go on writing and reading books about this failed religion. It is inevitable that they could ever think of quiting. It is inevitable that we must defeat it over and over. It is inevitable that religion is strange and almost impossible to kill once it gains control of the weak minded of the world.
( ...[text shortened]... s post IS an inside joke about the inevitability that communism MUST replace capitalism. giggle.
13 Jul 06
Originally posted by marinakatombThanks, marinakatomb. I will get the book and read it. I am just finishing up "A Writer At War", a collection of Vasily Grossman's WWII notes from Stalingrad. And I recommend it highly to anyone interested in reading about WWII. Not to be picky, but isn't communism an economic system rather than a political system? Marx's works are essentially economic works, right?
I say it to anyone who is remotely interested in that political system, or anyone who is interested in having an insite into Stalinist Russia and what it felt like to the everyday person in 1941.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by DelmerI haven't read Marx's works, i couldn't tell you to be honest...
Thanks, marinakatomb. I will get the book and read it. I am just finishing up "A Writer At War", a collection of Vasily Grossman's WWII notes from Stalingrad. And I recommend it highly to anyone interested in reading about WWII. Not to be picky, but isn't communism an economic system rather than a political system? Marx's works are essentially economic works, right?
The book itself is a true master piece! It is written in the same vain as War and Peace in that it follows multiple characters in completely different parts of society and explores how collectivisation affected them. Also it explores the philosophical consequences of a totalitarian system, often drawing parallels between Russian Communism and Nazism. It is extremely emotive and you come away feeling like you've lived through this time in history. Having grown up with the iron curtain, i found it fascinating to read about the Russian front, it is a period in history that i as a westerner have had no previous knowledge of. The book is fictional, but it makes it no less relevant.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by marinakatombI will order it. "A Writer At War" has already convinced me that I should read more of Grossman's work. The work you have just read is mentioned often in editor's notes as the editor points out various of Grossman's notes for his newspaper stories that were later fictionalized in the book you mention.
I haven't read Marx's works, i couldn't tell you to be honest...
The book itself is a true master piece! It is written in the same vain as War and Peace in that it follows multiple characters in completely different parts of society and explores how collectivisation affected them. Also it explores the philosophical consequences of a totalitarian syst ...[text shortened]... have had no previous knowledge of. The book is fictional, but it makes it no less relevant.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by DelmerGreat stuff, let me know if/when you finish, i'd be interested to know what you think of it. 🙂
I will order it. "A Writer At War" has already convinced me that I should read more of Grossman's work. The work you have just read is mentioned often in editor's notes as the editor points out various of Grossman's notes for his newspaper stories that were later fictionalized in the book you mention.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by StarValleyWyLOL No,not cause you said so.Not easy for me to explain this in english but I'll have a go.
Which is? That old svw said so? Seems a pretty petty reason to dash the dreams of millions of want-a-be commies.
Don't tell me that my thinking causes the summation of why humanity isn't ready for evil. Explain it to the entire world in your own words.
-In a communist nation all people would be equal.But to run this nation some people have to be put in power(a president + a government).When you're in power you have the chance to get more and better things for yourself and your family.Few can resist that and thus the equality will allready fail there.That is the human greed.
-For a nation to survive it needs to be productive.With the total equality person A,who works twice as hard as person B will earn the same wage.This causes person A to be discontent and lower his work efforts 'till he does the same or less work then person B.In turn that will cause person B to be discontent and lower his work effort etc etc 'till production is virtually halted.That is human envy.
For a communist nation to really work you need at least a large majority(preferably everyone) of people who are not greedy and do not envy others.
Conclusion: the human race is not ready for communism.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by GorgarNO! Don't reply to him, he'll fill the thread with loads of crap! He doesn't want to discuss anything, leave him alone.
LOL No,not cause you said so.Not easy for me to explain this in english but I'll have a go.
-In a communist nation all people would be equal.But to run this nation some people have to be put in power(a president + a government).When you're in power you have the chance to get more and better things for yourself and your family.Few can resist that and thus t ...[text shortened]... e not greedy and do not envy others.
Conclusion: the human race is not ready for communism.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by Redmikewhat's the state of communism today?
No, not really.
It takes a wee bit more than a party describing itself as communist being in power to make a country communist.
Arguably, communist country is a contradiction in terms.
there are still communes (a few) sprinkled around the US, i think ....
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by RedmikeDO you think it is possible for 'true communism' to come about? It seems to me Russia fell into the same trap that British democracy fell into. The population was not ready for a system that had no figure head or Leader and ended up putting the King back on the throne after countless lives were lost removing him in the first place. Lenin ended up as a commie Tsar and nothing much changed except the peasants starved more than usual...
I think you could call it state capitalist - where they may have got rid of much private enterprise, but replaced it with the state, which isn't really progress.
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by Gorgar-In a communist nation, ARE all people equal? There are and have been a lot of communist nations. Think North Korea for the most typical example.
LOL No,not cause you said so.Not easy for me to explain this in english but I'll have a go.
-In a communist nation all people would be equal.But to run this nation some people have to be put in power(a president + a government).When you're in power you have the chance to get more and better things for yourself and your family.Few can resist that and thus t ...[text shortened]... e not greedy and do not envy others.
Conclusion: the human race is not ready for communism.
I think you and I are talking at each other. Nobodys fault.
I just hate commies and their cowardly approach. They don't dare debate, but use lies and the manipulation of the simple minded to try to establish utopian ideals. Which causes a lot of death and destruction of the most innocent, ie, those who can't afford to escape because they have no money. The kulocs. The peasant farmers. It's not really debatable at this point in history. We owe it to the world to do everything we can to destroy this strange and perverted religion.
Communism is a religion because:
1 - It denys the basic nature of the human animal and uses dogmatic doctrine to try and change human nature. (greed, in case you miss this part)
2 - When it is not able to change by indoctination, it resorts to mass killing and purges and inquisitions. (Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao)
3 - It inevitably establishes a banner infested cult of leadership.
Do any of you big, brave, smart commies want to deny any of this?
14 Jul 06
Originally posted by XanthosNZwell, perhaps, but it;'s very doubtful.
I'd guess the one he actually typed but who knows he could mean "I am a giant walrus" for all we know.
Now what I meant (and I imagine anyone how's worked out how to think picked this one up) was whether he meant all the communists is a real manner, as in people who actual have communist ideals, and are likely to revere Marxist thought, or in a hick style 'commies=bad' way (due to the fact that a variety of fascist systems have paraded as communist, Stalinist Russia for example)