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Originally posted by Varg
What did he do wrong?
Sounds like he was just doing his job, as he said.
I only drove 800 yards to my house, and when I visit his workplace he refuses to meet my gaze, which to me is WEAK after treating me like a naughty school kid and him been the headmaster. He was like a kid with a new toy(badge)!


Posted by Phlabbit
I fought the law, and the LAW WON!

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So have I a few times, but the main occasion it wasn't a fair fight as there was six of them and I was cuffed behind my back!!

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i do not wear my seat belt but put my arm thro to make it look like im wearing it, i only agree with it for children under 16 as they need protection from drivers

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Originally posted by stoker
i do not wear my seat belt but put my arm thro to make it look like im wearing it, i only agree with it for children under 16 as they need protection from drivers
Agreed. I always fasten all children in but did you know that nobody under 25Kg should wear a belt as it could damage them more than the actual crash itself, thats why child seats should be compuslory. I also find wearing the belt over your shoulder seriously retards your driving, unless theres a blue light in your mirror.😉

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Originally posted by shavixmir
Here I sit, bowed over my computer like Marlon Brando was crouched over what-ever he was crouching over in Apocolypse now.

Sweat's dripping off my forehead, due to the heat and my eyes are dancing wildly as I comprehend my dilemma. Let me put it to you:

I got a fine for driving without a seatbelt last year. I refused to pay it.
The state is here ...[text shortened]... will turn me into a ticking vulcano (or timebomb, or whatever).

Either way, I'm fucked.

Shavixmir grab your chair and take a deep breath because I don't even believe it myself but I wholeheartedly agree with you. Damn that hurt! Now don't get too smug about my momentary lapse because we will continue to disagree later.

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Originally posted by rwingett
You should have fled the country. You could have come to live on Mackinac Island in Michigan. Except for emergency vehicles, there are no cars allowed on the island. As long as you never left the island you would never have been required to wear a seatbelt again.
I heard they wanted to install seatbelts on the bicycles up there 🙂

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Arizona has a law that requires all drivers to have auto insurance. For a number of years, it also had a law that requires all drivers to carry and pay for an extra item on their insurance policy called "Uninsured/Underinsured motorists coverage." In other words, the law was: We demand that all you people driving on our roads have proper insurance. And since we know that not all of you will obey that law, here's another law forcing though of you who are compliant with the first law to pay an additional monetary penalty on behalf of those who are going to ignore the law, since we don't plan to stop them from going ahead and driving on our roads without insurance.

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Shav,
You write that wearing a seatbelt only has an effect on you. Well, that's not true. Since the injuries that occur when people don't wear seatbelts are far more severe, those people actually substantially drive up insurance costs for those of us who choose to wear a seatbelt. It's not pennies, or even dollars, it's billions of dollars every year.

If they had two different insurance rates for those who did and those who didn't wear seatbelts, I'd be far more sympathetic to your plight. Or, if there was a clause that would invalidate any claim of injury that occurred if the person injured in the accident was not wearing a seatbelt, I would be the first to clamor for the repeal of the law.

But the claim that not wearing your seatbelt only affects you is categorically untrue. It affects all of us. You may or may not value your life, but when you get into an accident, a bunch of hard working people are paid to act like it has value, and most of them do a damn good job; and when the cost of their hard and admirable work goes from needing a bandaid to needing the ICU, who pays for it? Just you? No way. I do, too, and that's unfair to me.

That having been said, and having stated such a meretricious argument, I have to opine that your approach was an unwise one. If you truly believed that your rights had been trampled, instead of ignoring the ticket, you should have fought it in a legal sense, making a claim that it impinged on your liberty or pursuit of happiness or something. I'm the first to be very critical of the government, but you've let it play the game for you by defaulting. You should have taken advantage of whatever legal avenues that were available to you. Certainly there are other people who feel as you do, certainly other lawyers that could make a class action suit pro bono. I would certainly have supported your right to fight it and admired you for standing up for you what you believed, even while I totally disagree with it.

It reminds me of story I heard where I guy found a small lump on his testicle during a routine self-examination. However, he was too preoccupied with the idea of confronting issue that he ignored it until it was the size of baseball. By then, they both had to be removed and he needed chemo and radiation and all sorts of stuff horrible stuff, when he very likely would have had outpatient surgery and walked away with both of his boys intact. By hoping it would go away, which was wildly improbable, it got catostophically worse.

You should have paid it or fought it. Ignore it? Even if we agree with your stance, how can we really sympathize? What did you hope was going to happen, that the government would say "Gee. This guy won't pay...maybe he's right. Let's drop the charges?" You're a smart person and you and I both know that the government is unlikely to every admit fault unless pressed to the teeth.

Contrary to what others have said, I believe that you should not pay it and fight the legal battle that you clearly believe should be fought. I will stand by your right to do that, 100%. And if you win, I will congratulate you, even while I disagree, both in intuitive priniciple and substantiated fact.

I'm sorry if I have been hurtful, but it's how I believe.
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Originally posted by stoker
i do not wear my seat belt but put my arm thro to make it look like im wearing it, i only agree with it for children under 16 as they need protection from drivers
Wow. I don't mean to be rude but does anyone find this totally ridiculous? You take the time to put your arm through it, but don't put it on? Children need protection but adults don't? A fifteen year old is vunerable to accidents in a way a seventeen year old or sixty year old isn't?

Wow. I'm totally in shock.

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on base, the seatbelt law is outrageous. for your first offence, you lose driving privleges for a week. for another you lose it for six months, then a year. i am all for wearing seatbelts but that is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by nemesio
Wow. I don't mean to be rude but does anyone find this totally ridiculous? You take the time to put your arm through it, but don't put it on? Children need protection but adults don't? A fifteen year old is vunerable to accidents in a way a seventeen year old or sixty year old isn't?

Wow. I'm totally in shock.
the belt over my arm i can do anytime clunk click i have to be stopped, the age is the age of consent so i use that as my guideline, its ileagal under sixteen, but not over. sorry to shock you but are you so easaly shocked??

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Originally posted by stoker
the belt over my arm i can do anytime clunk click i have to be stopped, the age is the age of consent so i use that as my guideline, its ileagal under sixteen, but not over. sorry to shock you but are you so easaly shocked??
My shock is two-fold. 1) You work just as hard as a seatbelt wearer, but do not have any of the benefits. Doesn't this seem ridiculous to you? 2) You think people under 16 should be buckled? Either people do or don't. There is nothing a 1 year old, 10 year old, 20 year old or 60 year old could do for themselves in the case of an accident. They are all equally helpless. Why make the arbitrary distinction? This teaches kids the following premise: "You have to be responsible until you are of legal age. Then you can do whatever you want." Having a "guideline" like that is dangerous. Either you believe it's your right not to wear it or not.

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Click it or Ticket.

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Originally posted by nemesio
Shav,
You write that wearing a seatbelt only has an effect on you. Well, that's not true. Since the injuries that occur when people don't wear seatbelts are far more severe, those people actually substantially drive up insurance costs for those of us who choose to wear a seatbelt. It's not pennies, or even dollars, it's billions of dollars every ...[text shortened]... and substantiated fact.

I'm sorry if I have been hurtful, but it's how I believe.
Nemesio
Don't give me that insurance nonsense.

The rest of your post is just fine.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Click it or Ticket.

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Glad to see someone's rimming the glands which excrete law and justice upon us.

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