@spruce112358 saidThe jurists where I place my trust in their commentary and deliberations have read the same stuff you just sent, and BTW thank you for that. I can not research this stuff like you and M do, so rely on news sources and the spoken words of these experts beamed into my office. They comment on your info above, and have yet to find where certain elements of the law will in any way apply to Trump's activities.....such as intent, and so forth. I cannot IMAGINE 2nd guessing them.
I already summarized this, above, but if you want it verbatim from Bragg's own hand, here it is:
2. Defendant intended to commit or conceal election law crimes.
a. Defendant falsified business records to conceal violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act and Election Law § 17-152.
The Federal Election Campaign Act ("FECA" ) regulates campaign contrib ...[text shortened]... see also N.Y.C. Admin. Code §§ 11-4002(a)(3), 11-4003 (City criminal tax fraud in the fifth degree).
You may at least be enteratined to hear some of their podcasts, or re-runs of FOX segments, even the simple entertaining ones like media buzz. They all weigh in on this matter with equal zeal, as if they are amazed.
Stormy Daniels!!?!?!? Some close friend of yours has had a Stormy, I guarantee it. Do you want him to go to jail? What if he paid the hore money? Would that make it a diff? If it came from questionable sources, do you want him to go to prison, or.....................this may be hard to swallow....just pay a fine?
I gotta ask.....is this solely to keep him from being president? Is that a proper application of trial law in the USA? Can you answer this?
@AverageJoe1 saidWhich justices?
C'mon, Shav. If I were the only pundit who thinks he is being 'witch hunted', and that there is no true cause of action to warrant this hell, yeah, you may have a point....I would be shunned!
But you might check on the news of many, many, many smart jurists, judges, lawyers, experts, eyes-wide-open people who daily thresh this all out and find absolutely nothing t ...[text shortened]... ld rabbit hole. The McHill person is already down there to keep you company. Y'all can play darts.
Fox news presenters?
Anybody who’s watched a summery of the trial, knows exactly which charges have been brought.
You just refuse to believe it. How can the orange god of narcissism be guilty of anything?
@shavixmir saidI did not say justices, I think you misread jurist in your haste. Might not be a justice OR a lawyer. Just know more than we know, that's all.
Which justices?
Fox news presenters?
Anybody who’s watched a summery of the trial, knows exactly which charges have been brought.
You just refuse to believe it. How can the orange god of narcissism be guilty of anything?
OK, we all know the charges. These guys, having Absorbed all of the charges, are saying, they are saying, there is no case. Yes, there is a lot of stuff, Sonhouse would prob bring up Trump wearing the wrong shoes to court and enter it into the record for ballast!!!
But when everything is considered, who did what and when, specifically applying the law (which you and I do not) , they have determined without question, that, ALVIN BRAGG does NOT have a case.
I don't 'refuse to believe' anything, what do you mean? I believe level-headed jurists (there is that word again) including scholars in the highest order. You think Alan Dersowich is not smart? He says it is a crap case, and he is a Democrat. A scholar. I could throw out many names, but you would not recognize them. You WOULD recognze the name of Rachel Maddow, MSNBC pundit, who has no legal training, but nevertheless is saying he is guilty. Wow, I will change my vote!
@sonhouse said"Inflation is cumulative, and hardworking Kansans have been suffering for the past three years now, as this chart behind me indicates," said Rep. Estes. "Since Joe Biden took office, inflation is up over 19%. The Joint Economic Committee estimates that Kansans are paying an average of nearly $1,000 more per month for the same goods and services – the same food, the same clothes, the same gas, the same rent – that they did in January 2021. And since then, in total, the average Kansan household has spent $23,623 more due to inflation. At the same time, net income is down almost 4%."
@AverageJoe1
Where the HELL are you coming up with 20% inflation? It is under 4 percent.
I hate it, too. I can't see it coming down if he stays in office. Do you think that Biden can straighten out the economy? He does not seem to know anything, and he lies, like bragging about the stock market while no one can afford a damn thing.
Hey, I am fine, the market is good for me, NVidia alone brings untold profits, but Biden has absolutely nothing to do with my good fortune.....he has a LOT to do with the bad fortune of the American citizen.
As Spruce just told me, "You will believe anything!!!" (re the trial). Well if you believe Biden's lies about his good economy, believe away. Don't believe the paragraph of Mr. Estes just above. Just don't believe it.
@AverageJoe1
Hey shav, how do you get away with your profanity? I just used one of our thinly disguised misspelt words for a profane word, and got kicked off.
You got a secret. No prob, I wont use it anyway.
@AverageJoe1
"As of June 15, 2024, the annual inflation rate in the United States was 3.4% for the 12 months ending in April 2024, down from 3.5% the previous month. This is according to data from the U.S. Labor Department.
And OF COURSE you are programmed to not believe those kind of figures because Trump WANTS you to doubt everything about our economy and voting system, that is EXACTLY how authoritarians play, first make abortion illegal, and he is PROUD of the fact he killed Roe V Wade by installing the most right wing SCOTUS members in US history, no more unbiased judges there, Alito now posting insurrectionist flags on his property TWICE, Clarence Thomas trying to kill BLACK votes and going even further now that R V W is gone, like allowing gerrymandering to keep repubs in power even though they are literally the minority in the US now, can't have voters have their say can we now?
Authoritarians first order of business is to provoke fear of everything, democracy is bad, voter fraud abounds, women can't be trusted, look at Saudi Arabia, women could not even get a drivers license till quite recently.
Votes count? Look at Russia, gee, Vlad won with 85% of the 'vote'. What a total knockout of competing candidates, eh.
You think it can't happen here? We have some magical formula that forever defeats the forces of fascism eating away at democracies all around the world, helped by Russian, Chinese, and Iranian disinformation campaigns were you would look at that crap and actually believe it came from disgruntled Americans when in fact it came from Russia and China, the ones from China are not yet sophisticated, some of those 'posts' have Chinese writing in them claiming to be from a farmer from Ohio bitching about Biden......,
@AverageJoe1 saidThrow up the names!
I did not say justices, I think you misread jurist in your haste. Might not be a justice OR a lawyer. Just know more than we know, that's all.
OK, we all know the charges. These guys, having Absorbed all of the charges, are saying, they are saying, there is no case. Yes, there is a lot of stuff, Sonhouse would prob bring up Trump wearing the wrong shoes to court ...[text shortened]... it, who has no legal training, but nevertheless is saying he is guilty. Wow, I will change my vote!
@sonhouse saidWith apologies, I must ask posters to stay on single identified issues. Imagine writing about Hamas or about sailboats on this issue of inflation.
@AverageJoe1
"As of June 15, 2024, the annual inflation rate in the United States was 3.4% for the 12 months ending in April 2024, down from 3.5% the previous month. This is according to data from the U.S. Labor Department.
And OF COURSE you are programmed to not believe those kind of figures because Trump WANTS you to doubt everything about our economy and voting system ...[text shortened]... sts' have Chinese writing in them claiming to be from a farmer from Ohio bitching about Biden......,
Anyway, above, I have the learned Mr. Estes with the 19% figure,.... who knows who to believe anymore. Biden says the economy is fine, things are turning around such as that, do I have to believe Him!?!? He And Estes.?? What a conundrum. Look deeply into the 19% and you will see it gel.
@AverageJoe1
Ha,,,,wait a minute, here is what you are looking for. 19% explained. I could not have written all that, I have to take my stockbroker to lunch!!
https://estes.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4514
@AverageJoe1
I said the inflation rate and why you and the right wingers reject it.
I guess you don't want to go in to motives.
It is part of the fascist plan to spread doubt about government, the justice system and voter integrity. THAT is the plan and you fall for it hook line and sinker, election stolen, you believe it, voter fraud, you believe that, Trump IS a crook, total denial for ALL of his court cases, some already adjudicated.
You are following the Trump plan to totally take over 100%, you are a really nice tame Trumpite and you will probably get a sweet gommint position when you kiss his ring.
He wants you to think it is Biden as a threat to democracy but let me remind you of who NEVER accepted the vote of the people, 7 MILLION more voted for Biden but Trump just SAYS that is false, MASSIVE voter fraud which never happened in the 200+ years of our republic and now all of a sudden massive fraud on ONE election but OF COURSE not ANY election repubs won. Funny how that works.
You have been thoroughly programmed and will never be able to think for yourself again, and what you think is you THINKING you are thinking for yourself but you are 100% wrong, you are the RESULT of over a decade of Trump programming, first with his stupid TV show where I bet you think he is the one who said 'you are fired', but no, it was the producers who said who is fired and who is not but Trump is just the talking puppet head for that show but I bet you believed every word he ever said, on that show and when he went down that escalator surrounded by what we now know was paid actors adoring him.
@sonhouse saidYou say "I guess you don't want to go into motives'. If you set a concept into play and asked everyone what motives would drive them to accomplish it, you would get a different answer from each person.
@AverageJoe1
I said the inflation rate and why you and the right wingers reject it.
I guess you don't want to go in to motives.
It is part of the fascist plan to spread doubt about government, the justice system and voter integrity. THAT is the plan and you fall for it hook line and sinker, election stolen, you believe it, voter fraud, you believe that, Trump IS a crook, ...[text shortened]... how and when he went down that escalator surrounded by what we now know was paid actors adoring him.
So, why would we do that.? You want me to tell you the motive for the facist plan? I might say that it is to have us all be in the same place at the end of the day!!! (Kamala's plan?)
You would say something else, you might say it would be a good idea, to bring all the rich people down, and and so it would go....discussion based totally on conjecture. I myself think facts rule the day.
@sonhouse [i]sai.You say we are programmed not to think for ourselves? A lib telling a conservative that we do not think for ourselves.????????/ Sonhouse, people who live off the government (there are a lot of names for them) hardly think for themselves.....they don't HAVE to.
have been thoroughly programmed and will never be able to think for yourself again,
You love government control of our lives, you cannot deny it. Look up diff in Dems and Repubs, and you will find that to be a clear fact.
So you need to rewrite this post.