Trump was right again…

@shavixmir said
I have no idea what you’re blathering on about, but the title of the thread already suggests the following:

- you are wrong
- you are lying
- you are retarded
- you are an incel

Basically, a republikkunt poster on this forum.

C'mon now, Shav, tell us
what you REALLY think.

@mott-the-hoople said
no amount of lying will make this true…is your whole life false?

Make sure your blinders match your mullet.

@no1marauder said
You might ask why am I posting from a respected scientific journal while you're at it.

no, I was asking why you were posting a 2020 article in a 2022 argument

@mott-the-hoople said
no, I was asking why you were posting a 2020 article in a 2022 argument

Because it was a scientific study directly relevant to the subject of the thread.

@mott-the-hoople said
“ "While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted," the researchers wrote. "In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument."



https://www.foxnews.com/us/lockdowns-reduced-covid-19-mortality-by-2-study-finds-lockdowns-should-be-rejected-out-of-hand

The paper in question:

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Some interesting excerpts from the above linked paper:

Shelter-in-place orders (SIPOs) were also ineffective. They only reduced
COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%...

However, closing non-essential
businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6% ), which is
likely to be related to the closure of bars. Also, masks may reduce COVID-19 mortality, but
there is only one study that examines universal mask mandates.

Is 2.9% decrease in mortality really insignificant? One rule of thumb I remember was that less than 5% is often considered insignificant. So, yes, but also there is some room for disagreement here.

Also, apparently locking down bars helps a lot, and this paper points out that there is no scientific analysis of the value of masks available.

And let us be aware that this is the Journal of Applied Economics, not a medical journal.

@no1marauder said
One could accept blindly the findings of three economists, one principally employed by the far right Cato Institute, on this public health question or one might look to epidemiologists at an Ivy League University:

"The doubling time measures the rate at which the epidemic is growing, and an increase in doubling time indicates that transmission is decreasing."

"Amon ...[text shortened]... rders."

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/222/10/1601/5879762?login=false

I mean your call.

The above linked paper by no1 focuses on epidemic doubling time, while Mott's linked paper focuses on mortality, which probably explains seemingly divergent conclusions.

@no1marauder said
Because it was a scientific study directly relevant to the subject of the thread.

no, the rate of spread in 2020 is not relevant to the rate of spread in 2022...you got caught again

@athousandyoung said
Some interesting excerpts from the above linked paper:

[quote]Shelter-in-place orders (SIPOs) were also ineffective. They only reduced
COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%...

However, closing non-essential
businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6% ), which is
likely to be related to the closure of bars. Also, masks may reduce COVI ...[text shortened]... ilable.

And let us be aware that this is the Journal of Applied Economics, not a medical journal.

why did you ignore this while cherry picking the article?


'From May 2020 to April 2021, the U.S. recorded 100,306 drug overdose deaths, a 28.5% increase from the 78,056 deaths that were recorded in the previous 12-month period, according to CDC data.

A study from the National Commission on COVID-19 and Criminal Justice last year found that domestic violence incidents increased 8.1% in the U.S. after lockdown orders were issued. "
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"And let us be aware that this is the Journal of Applied Economics, not a medical journal."

number crunching, nothing to do with medicine

@mott-the-hoople said
why did you ignore this while cherry picking the article?


'From May 2020 to April 2021, the U.S. recorded 100,306 drug overdose deaths, a 28.5% increase from the 78,056 deaths that were recorded in the previous 12-month period, according to CDC data.

A study from the National Commission on COVID-19 and Criminal Justice last year found that domestic violence i ...[text shortened]... urnal of Applied Economics, not a medical journal."

number crunching, nothing to do with medicine

Why did you ignore this when you made your Opening Post?

@athousandyoung said
Why did you ignore this when you made your Opening Post?

ignore what exactly? I posted the entire article.

@mott-the-hoople said
ignore what exactly? I posted the entire article.

No you didn't you posted a Fox commentary on the article. I posted the entire article.

@athousandyoung said
No you didn't you posted a Fox commentary on the article. I posted the entire article.

I posted the entire article I was commenting on, you posted the entire study. There is a difference.



care to state why you didnt mention this…

“ 'From May 2020 to April 2021, the U.S. recorded 100,306 drug overdose deaths, a 28.5% increase from the 78,056 deaths that were recorded in the previous 12-month period, according to CDC data.

A study from the National Commission on COVID-19 and Criminal Justice last year found that domestic violence incidents increased 8.1% in the U.S. after lockdown orders were issued. "

this is in the article I posted

@mott-the-hoople said
care to state why you didnt mention this…

“ 'From May 2020 to April 2021, the U.S. recorded 100,306 drug overdose deaths, a 28.5% increase from the 78,056 deaths that were recorded in the previous 12-month period, according to CDC data.

A study from the National Commission on COVID-19 and Criminal Justice last year found that domestic violence incidents increased 8.1% in the U.S. after lockdown orders were issued. "

this is in the article I posted

Because it was irrelevant.

Why didn't YOU mention it earlier?

@athousandyoung said
Because it was irrelevant.

Why didn't YOU mention it earlier?

how is it irrelevant? It addresses people dying from the lockdowns.

didnt fit your agenda though did it?