Ukraine “False Flag” Falling Apart

@kevcvs57 said
Hey idiot if they wanted a direct war with Russia they would be mopping up Russian rapists in Ukraine as we speak.
Why would they need to go to all the bother of organising a false flag?
I’ve explained to you numerous times that your bs misinformation should at the very least contain a minimum of internal logic

Russia says it was your government.

https://rumble.com/v10w35r-kim-iversen-bucha-was-a-british-special-op-and-ukraine-peace-talks-are-dead.html

@mchill said
How do you think this will play out?

Putin will continue to rattle his nuclear saber, but with multiple buffers between Putin and the guy who pushes the launch button, it's highly unlikely everyone in the chain of command will blindly obey Putin if they think it means WW3

Not sure about this although I hope it is true.
I read an article that said the decision to launch nuclear weapons rests with Putin.

@the-gravedigger said
Not sure about this although I hope it is true.
I read an article that said the decision to launch nuclear weapons rests with Putin.

Yes the initial decision but it’s the chain of command that has to agree to it. There is no big red button on his desk and his chiefs of staff will understand the implications for the survival of Russia if they carry out that irrational order given that Russia will never be unitarily attacked by NATO or anyone else.

@kevcvs57 said
Yes the initial decision but it’s the chain of command that has to agree to it. There is no big red button on his desk and his chiefs of staff will understand the implications for the survival of Russia if they carry out that irrational order given that Russia will never be unitarily attacked by NATO or anyone else.

"Russia will never be unitarily attacked by NATO or anyone else"

After invading Serbia and Libya you are a fool for claiming that. The bombing of a Serb TV station in which several civilians were killed is a war crime too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/07/balkans1

@metal-brain said
Russia says it was your government.

https://rumble.com/v10w35r-kim-iversen-bucha-was-a-british-special-op-and-ukraine-peace-talks-are-dead.html

Hahaha imbecilic corner dwelling drooler.

@metal-brain said
"Russia will never be unitarily attacked by NATO or anyone else"

After invading Serbia and Libya you are a fool for claiming that. The bombing of a Serb TV station in which several civilians were killed is a war crime too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/07/balkans1

No one invaded Serbia stop lying and stop being stupid
However if Serbia, egged on by Putin, tries to implement its ethnic cleansing and genocidal policies again in the Balkan’s it will hopefully get bombed again.
It’s got the choice of living in peace and I’m sure the majority of decent Serbs will continue to make that choice and integrate itself into a progressive EU.
No apologies for stopping inter ethnic genocidal conflicts in the heart of Europe from me.
“ Nato today dismissed accusations by Amnesty International that it committed war crimes during its air war against Kosovo and Serbia.

Jamie Shea, Nato's chief spokesman, said that cases when civilians were killed were due to technological failure or "the accidents of conflict" - not because Nato had failed to take all necessary precautions.

"Each target that Nato struck was approved by a team of government lawyers and we attacked in such a way as to minimise the prospects of civilian casualties," he said.

"We never said we would avoid casualties. It would be foolhardy to say that, as no military operation in history has been perfect.

He argued that the costs of the conflict had to weighed against the thousands of Kosovan Albanians who would be dead without Nato intervention.

Pressed on the bombing of a Serb TV station in which several civilians were killed, Mr Shea said: "The television station was attacked because it was not the BBC or CNN, it was being used to push out propaganda and to create a climate of hatred in which the persecution of Albanians could be accepted as normal by the greater majority of the Serb population."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/07/balkans1?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I would say the specific purposeful bombing of the tv station amounts to a war crime but the aim of the campaign was just and I don’t suppose you or Putin want to contrast and compare the level of civilian deaths from that bombing campaign with what’s going on in Syria or Ukraine.

@kevcvs57 said
No one invaded Serbia stop lying and stop being stupid
However if Serbia, egged on by Putin, tries to implement its ethnic cleansing and genocidal policies again in the Balkan’s it will hopefully get bombed again.
It’s got the choice of living in peace and I’m sure the majority of decent Serbs will continue to make that choice and integrate itself into a progressive EU.
...[text shortened]... re the level of civilian deaths from that bombing campaign with what’s going on in Syria or Ukraine.

You keep blindly accepting NATO propaganda regarding its bombing campaign against Serbia in 1998 - an aggressive move meant to dismember that State. Of course, the magic "genocide" word was bandied about as an excuse to interfere in an internal Serbian matter i.e. a violent campaign by the KLA to separate Kosovo from Serbia by force. But why Kosovars in Serbia were entitled to NATO bombing to support their wish to separate from that country while Serbs in Bosnia were bombed to prevent them from self-determination has never been adequately explained.

@no1marauder said
You keep blindly accepting NATO propaganda regarding its bombing campaign against Serbia in 1998 - an aggressive move meant to dismember that State. Of course, the magic "genocide" word was bandied about as an excuse to interfere in an internal Serbian matter i.e. a violent campaign by the KLA to separate Kosovo from Serbia by force. But why Kosovars in Serbia were entitl ...[text shortened]... s in Bosnia were bombed to prevent them from self-determination has never been adequately explained.

You keep ignoring the fact that “the state” was already dismembered along ethnic and religious lines topped off with a history of atrocities perpetrated upon and by all sides.
Any reasonable person would accept that reality. Anyone who thinks that the inter communal horror of the Balkan wars is better than the NATO assured uneasy peace we have now is a sociopath, or at the least, not very bright.

@kevcvs57 said
No one invaded Serbia stop lying and stop being stupid
However if Serbia, egged on by Putin, tries to implement its ethnic cleansing and genocidal policies again in the Balkan’s it will hopefully get bombed again.
It’s got the choice of living in peace and I’m sure the majority of decent Serbs will continue to make that choice and integrate itself into a progressive EU.
...[text shortened]... re the level of civilian deaths from that bombing campaign with what’s going on in Syria or Ukraine.

NATO invaded Serbia, stop lying and stop being stupid.

@kevcvs57 said
You keep ignoring the fact that “the state” was already dismembered along ethnic and religious lines topped off with a history of atrocities perpetrated upon and by all sides.
Any reasonable person would accept that reality. Anyone who thinks that the inter communal horror of the Balkan wars is better than the NATO assured uneasy peace we have now is a sociopath, or at the least, not very bright.

It was a civil war.

Would you think the same way if the American civil war was interfered with so the south won instead? Milosevic was no more of a war criminal than Lincoln.

@metal-brain said
It was a civil war.

Would you think the same way if the American civil war was interfered with so the south won instead? Milosevic was no more of a war criminal than Lincoln.

Stop talking nonsense it was a war of land grabbing by the use of ethnic cleaning after Yugoslavia effectively broke up you cannot have a civil war between separate states and nationalities.
Serbs were supported by Russia then as their extreme nationalist elements are now. Putin sees Serbia as a base for destabilising Central Europe and if it means Serbian fascists have to set up death camps and ethnically cleanse whole swathes of non Serbian populations then all the better for Putin.
But no screw Putin and screw an expansionist Serbia in the heart of Europe, it’s not happening.

@kevcvs57 said
Stop talking nonsense it was a war of land grabbing by the use of ethnic cleaning after Yugoslavia effectively broke up you cannot have a civil war between separate states and nationalities.
Serbs were supported by Russia then as their extreme nationalist elements are now. Putin sees Serbia as a base for destabilising Central Europe and if it means Serbian fascists have to ...[text shortened]... in.
But no screw Putin and screw an expansionist Serbia in the heart of Europe, it’s not happening.

"Stop talking nonsense it was a war of land grabbing "

It was a war of land grabbing...by the ethnic Albanians! They are Muslims BTW.
Kosovo wanted to leave the union just like the south wanted to leave the USA union and Lincoln stopped it by military force, just like Milosevic did in Serbia.

Lincoln killed more people than Milosevic for the same general reason, preserving the union.

@kevcvs57 said
Stop talking nonsense it was a war of land grabbing by the use of ethnic cleaning after Yugoslavia effectively broke up you cannot have a civil war between separate states and nationalities.
Serbs were supported by Russia then as their extreme nationalist elements are now. Putin sees Serbia as a base for destabilising Central Europe and if it means Serbian fascists have to ...[text shortened]... in.
But no screw Putin and screw an expansionist Serbia in the heart of Europe, it’s not happening.

More "good guy v. bad guy" BS.

Why were Serbs in predominant Serb areas in Bosnia and Croatia who wanted to live in Serbia evil nationalists while Kosovars who wanted to live in a Kosovo free of Serbia patriots deserving of a NATO bombing campaign to help them in their goal? In other words, why were the borders of administrative districts of a defunct State (Yugoslavia) considered sacrosanct as regards Croatia and Bosnia but not as regards Kosovo?

Even conceding Serb nationalist forces committed war crimes at a rate higher than war crimes committed by their enemies, why is that a reason to deny Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia their right to self-determination? Or do you believe in "collective punishment"?

Of course, you have revealed the probable actual motivation; an aggressive NATO move against a Russian ally to expand Western domination of Eastern Europe.

@no1marauder said
More "good guy v. bad guy" BS.

Why were Serbs in predominant Serb areas in Bosnia and Croatia who wanted to live in Serbia evil nationalists while Kosovars who wanted to live in a Kosovo free of Serbia patriots deserving of a NATO bombing campaign to help them in their goal? In other words, why were the borders of administrative districts of a defunct State (Yugoslavia ...[text shortened]... tion; an aggressive NATO move against a Russian ally to expand Western domination of Eastern Europe.

More blatant smoke blowing by Putin’s pal.
Because of the ethnic makeup of Kosovo being 95% Muslim who could not realistically be expected to rely on the tender mercies of those responsible for the genocide of 8,000 Bosniak men and boys in srebrenica along with countless other atrocities in the villages surrounding it.
The glib way you talk about the Balkan war and always come down on the side of the Russian backed Slavic forces is very odd.

@kevcvs57 said
More blatant smoke blowing by Putin’s pal.
Because of the ethnic makeup of Kosovo being 95% Muslim who could not realistically be expected to rely on the tender mercies of those responsible for the genocide of 8,000 Bosniak men and boys in srebrenica along with countless other atrocities in the villages surrounding it.
The glib way you talk about the Balkan war and always come down on the side of the Russian backed Slavic forces is very odd.

You dodged my questions; I'll repeat them:

"In other words, why were the borders of administrative districts of a defunct State (Yugoslavia) considered sacrosanct as regards Croatia and Bosnia but not as regards Kosovo?

Even conceding Serb nationalist forces committed war crimes at a rate higher than war crimes committed by their enemies, why is that a reason to deny Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia their right to self-determination? "

The West's meddling in the Balkan wars led to more killing and an unjust forced division of territory that 25 years later must still be enforced by a NATO occupation force. Bosnia is a ridiculous country consisting of two zones that want nothing to do with each other. It would have been far better to simply allow free elections to determine what areas wanted to merge with Serbia thus respecting the People's right to self-determination.

If that right had been recognized in the first place, the entire bloodbath could have been avoided.