Originally posted by steerpikeChild ponography is a tool used by child molestors to "groom" the child for the assault. Children are rarely "raped" in the sense that they are grabbed thrown to the ground and assaulted. Children are first targeted, a "friendship" is developed which creates trust, the molestors often are friends of the family, the child is very carefully pursued and gradually exposed to pornography until the child becomes "willing".
How about another question? If the images are completely computer generated so it is not a record of abuse, is it still a crime?
I ask you, Why would the images be created? I know of no emotionally and sexually healthy person who would wish to look at material which presents sexualized images of children.
Originally posted by AynatDo emotionally and sexually healthy people wish to look at material which presents violent imges of assault am murder?
Child ponography is a tool used by child molestors to "groom" the child for the assault. Children are rarely "raped" in the sense that they are grabbed thrown to the ground and assaulted. Children are first targeted, a "friendship" is developed which creates trust, the molestors often are friends of the family, the child is very carefully pursued and gr ...[text shortened]... lthy person who would wish to look at material which presents sexualized images of children.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI think developing an interest in this material, however it is produced is unhealthy and should be discouraged. This is based on an assumption that those who view child porn are more likely to abuse a child.
Would you like it not to be one ?
So I am not a defender of child pornography and see it as an offence.
Originally posted by steerpike
I think developing an interest in this material, however it is produced is unhealthy and should be discouraged. This is based on an assumption that those who view child porn are more likely to abuse a child.
So I am not a defender of child pornography and see it as an offence.
Also if the images are computer generated ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeHow do you decide if a computer generated image is depicting child pornography. Of course there will be obvious cases but what about the borderline? With real pornography there is a person out there whose ID you can check. But with computer generated pornography who decides?
Also if the images are computer generated ?
I seriously think we need a proper definition of child pornography, before we lapse into debate.
Are we talking about photos of topless 16 year olds on a beach in South France?
Are we talking about sexual acts with willing particpants under the age of 18?
Are we talking about photos of 8 year olds from a nude colony?
Are we talking about these same photos, but which were stolen out of a family album?
Are we talking about two 15 year olds who had sex togther, then photographed themselves and then one of them uploaded the pictures for a laugh?
Exactly what is meant by child pornography?
And in relationship to this, sex with children is also relative to culture. 40 years ago people married 13 year olds. In some countries it still happens. Your disgust at this is cultural.
If you look at other animals, when a female is old enough to be impregnated, that's when she usually starts to become attractive to the male. Would anyone suggest that is not the case in humans?
Would anyone suggest it is wrong to look at an attractive specimin of anything?
No. I presume not.
So, I guess the definition of child pornography will have something to do with abuse and unwillingness?
Maybe a lack of understanding or assertiveness on the part of the subject?
What y'll think?
Originally posted by shavixmirChild sex trial opens in France
I seriously think we need a proper definition of child pornography, before we lapse into debate.
Are we talking about photos of topless 16 year olds on a beach in South France?
Are we talking about sexual acts with willing particpant ...[text shortened]... or assertiveness on the part of the subject?
What y'll think?
A total of 39 men and 27 women are on trial in Angers
Dozens of men and women accused of the rape and abuse of children have gone on trial in one of the biggest court cases in France's legal history.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4313747.stm
I'm not sure whether the people in question also took pictures from the crimes they were committing, but if you are talking about child porn you must imagine yourself they did just this. The youngest child involved is to be said six months old. However child abuse, including rape and the taking of pictures from it, can start right after birth.