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13 Sep 08
13 Sep 08
We're getting to the point now where most everything is 3D-modeled and then fashioned with lasers, robots and computers. With productivity up (you can run three shifts with robotic workers non-stop), manufacturing workers are quickly finding themselves a thing of the past. What's important is that your students get a good grip on math so that they can compete not only with American college graduates but also workers from St. Petersburg, China and India, etc. for back end jobs in marketing and accounting or R&D jobs.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhen Obama's elected I'll change my flag. But I'm not going to endorse a country that kills my people, no matter where I live.
Yeah, a white/chicano science teacher telling black inner city kids that their country is great but that they need a good education to be able to appreciate it is so racist.
How about "Mexicans and Chinese are taking our jobs, we need to get our jobs back in this country, boycott foreign goods so we can get our manufacturing jobs back"? Is that les ...[text shortened]... racist?
I'm not the one who openly prioritises my race and a foreign country over my own.
14 Sep 08
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Originally posted by scherzoTime to move and be with "your people" then? Or do you like the USA too much to do that? I have a hunch you wouldn't like living in the restrictive culture of "your people" and you know it. You'd probably end up getting in trouble because you're accustomed to saying what you think. Lucky you can do that where you live now, aren't you?
When Obama's elected I'll change my flag. But I'm not going to endorse a country that kills my people, no matter where I live.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by Sam The ShamI was born in the US, and I'm not going to leave anytime soon. If I can take Dubya, I can take anything.
Time to move and be with "your people" then? Or do you like the USA too much to do that? I have a hunch you wouldn't like living in the restrictive culture of "your people" and you know it. You'd probably end up getting in trouble because you're accustomed to saying what you think. Lucky you can do that where you live now, aren't you?
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI think this is the reason a lot of people find the archetypal American difficult to stomach. What you have told your students is really rather arrogant let alone insulting and wrong.
One of my 8th grade students told me this. I told him he was wrong. I said we make the advanced items, and we let other countries do the simple manufacturing of consumer goods because we've moved on to the advanced stuff. I said we make computers...umm....weapons...
What else do we make in the USA?
Scientific devices like gas chromatographs maybe?
You have basically told these kids that the rest of the world is a bit dumb so they do all the simple, stupid stuff while you (Americans) do all the clever stuff. If kids grow up actually thinking that´s true then there´s no surprise if the rest of the world considers them arrogant.
Anyway, I would bet 90% of all high tech equipment in your home was manufactured in one of the countries you told your students did the simple stuff.
DSR has found some of the good exports from the US and you´ll find it´s a pretty good balance across a range of products that most developed countries are into.
14 Sep 08
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Originally posted by scherzoI don't care where you were born, go someplace you think you'd like better and make yourself and the rest of us happy. You're like a spoiled little boy at a birthday party who complains about all the presents he's been given instead of appreciating what he's got.
I was born in the US, and I'm not going to leave anytime soon. If I can take Dubya, I can take anything.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by Sam The ShamNice, the classic "if you don't like it then leave". Don't you think it would be better for him to try and effect change than just up and leaving? Sam, I'm guessing you are from Texas, aren't you? I wish I could have seen you during the Clinton era, so I could have said, "If you don't like it, then leave. Go someplace where they don't have economic stability and governmental surplus of cash."
I don't care where you were born, go someplace you think you'd like better and make yourself and the rest of us happy. You're like a spoiled little boy at a birthday party who complains about all the presents he's been given instead of appreciating what he's got.
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by CliffLandinAll the kid does is talk about how awful the US is and how superior other countries and cultures are. Let him go to one. He's not trying to change anything, just carrying on like a crybaby.
Nice, the classic "if you don't like it then leave". Don't you think it would be better for him to try and effect change than just up and leaving? Sam, I'm guessing you are from Texas, aren't you? I wish I could have seen you during the Clinton era, so I could have said, "If you don't like it, then leave. Go someplace where they don't have economic stability and governmental surplus of cash."
I'm from Los Angeles. Moved somewhere else when I didn't like it anymore. Happy?
14 Sep 08
Originally posted by WheelyAll right. It was arrogant and condescending. I will be careful about such comments in the future.
I think this is the reason a lot of people find the archetypal American difficult to stomach. What you have told your students is really rather arrogant let alone insulting and wrong.
You have basically told these kids that the rest of the world is a bit dumb so they do all the simple, stupid stuff while you (Americans) do all the clever stuff. If kids g ...[text shortened]... nd it´s a pretty good balance across a range of products that most developed countries are into.
I am just tired of living and working in such an overwhelmingly liberal, socialist, "hate the man" PC environment that when this kid tells me the US makes nothing it just astounds me and infuriates me. These kids are being brainwashed, no doubt about it. They need pride in their country and in their system because the US system does work. And, they need to understand that in the US, you kinda need a college degree. We can't all be Kobe or Souldja Boy.
15 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungweapons...that's it. Every other manufacturing industry is in decline every year. Soon the only thing you guys will make are weapons.
One of my 8th grade students told me this. I told him he was wrong. I said we make the advanced items, and we let other countries do the simple manufacturing of consumer goods because we've moved on to the advanced stuff. I said we make computers...umm....weapons...
What else do we make in the USA?
Scientific devices like gas chromatographs maybe?
Your biggest industry will be the low paying service industry. You all will be working at walmart selling plastic junk made in china.
15 Sep 08
Originally posted by uzless"In decline" doesn't mean we're still not at or near the top. You're talking about trends and predictions. I want the data you're using to calculate these trends.
weapons...that's it. Every other manufacturing industry is in decline every year. Soon the only thing you guys will make are weapons.
Your biggest industry will be the low paying service industry. You all will be working at walmart selling plastic junk made in china.
15 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungwhy, you won't read it. I've given you links in the past that you never came back and said,"ok, i've read it, you are correct."
"In decline" doesn't mean we're still not at or near the top. You're talking about trends and predictions. I want the data you're using to calculate these trends.
What's the point if you won't read it? Besides, you know how to work GOOGLE don't you?